Didnt know where to share this but for months, ive heard nothing but Union this and that. Ive avoided all talk of it from both sides. Im not a rocket scientist but is it really the right time to negotiate when so many were let go so freely in the redundancy to an extent where i feel expendable? Or am i looking into it too much. It hit a button with me to an extent where i feel like i have to pick a side. Looking at the quarterly financials compared to previous ones and it doesnt look good, not good enough to make me feel confident. Personally i would love more money, who wouldn't but will it keep me in a secure job long term or will it force Seagate move to somewhere cheaper.
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Y does the union only want operaters wat about everyone else and y is it takin so long?
Name a factory that closed due to striking?
Not that long ago constantly striking unions closed half the manufacturing in this town. I'm worried Unite will give them a reason to go.
Stst wont need to move anywhere cheaper when they are already getting it cheap where they are.Youve more chance of a payrise when there is somebody to negotiate a payrise.Management will keep dangling the carrot in front of employees by saying there could be a chance of a payrise next year.
Il vote no to the union for a payrise, show me the money!!!
If a payrise is imminent it will be a small one and we can do nothing about that .Once the factory is unionised we can negotiate for first time in 30 years.
imo this question isn't well answered in this forum
Are people really voting going on reviews they've read online about unite ? Well here's real information both Dupont and Nelipack are unionised with unite. Dupont workers got a 10% pay rise over two years. Nelipack formally perfect seal are currently in negotiations with they're union representatives and have already turned down 4% payrise. They also have a 30% shift allowance.
A good payrise is the on the way for MS alot of people saying if we get it there voting no
Vote no and don't take the risk I have read the reviews on unite they aren't great I can't see them making it any better
Talking of the pandemic, is it just the operators (ms) or has Seagate spring town now got a policy of handing out warnings, even if you do EVERYTHING RIGHT, and they say they have learned and will change.
NRM has a massive amount of empty spaces including the new unfinished wafer fab. We have zero funding for anything other than basic maintenance on the buildings or equipment. No real reason to worry about any major corporate moves. Our staffing issues will be a major bottleneck should the HDD markets ever come back. Good luck Gaters
You really need to do more research on the topic of financials and why Seagate are even here in the first place ? It's not just the canteen that's subsidised. I really don't think it matters if you're in a union or not it's a personal choice and your decision. You would like more money well if you can't negotiate then you will forever been aligned with minimum wage. You mentioned past financial results record breaking Fiscal Year 2022 Highlights
▪ Revenue of $11.66 billion
▪ GAAP gross margin of 29.7%; non-GAAP gross margin of 30.1%
▪ GAAP operating margin of 16.8%; non-GAAP operating margin of 18.4%
▪ GAAP diluted EPS of $7.36; non-GAAP diluted EPS of $8.18
▪ Cash flow from operations of $1.7 billion and free cash flow of $1.3 billion
How was your pay rise that year?
2022 This was the catalyst for unionisation a real slap in the face for the people who slogged it out during the pandemic on the factory floor. While everyone else stayed at home we got scanned going through the gates at work. If Seagate had paid a semi decent pay rise then we wouldn't be here now.
It's now about so much more though than minimum wage, minimum pension contributions and holiday pay. Respect for worker's on the production end, fairness for everyone not the select few. Manager discretion and disciplinary procedures varying from person to person. All you have to do is listen to the lies that have been told year on year from the incompetent management and how many times have they blamed corporate for poor decision making. Nobody's perfect but the people that have been here long enough have not been given enough in comparison to those that horde the rewards for themselves.
I'm one of the few on the top floor that actually respect production workers as that's where I started let me tell you it's a different place to work if your not in the fab.
How do you differ between a hostile union ive read plenty of reviews on Unite and not all are sunshine and rainbows. Its bad when i have to go onto an anonymous forum because it seems impossible to address any concerns i have without sounding anti union and being outed by colleagues. Just want to make a decision based on facts while taking into considerstion the realities of the current economic climate. Ive worked in worse places that i feel would have needed a union, im never in trouble and so far i feel ive been treated fairly so it feels like a waste of time paying the membership fee. However if they are in and inhave a third party negotiating for a majority id rather feel like i am being represented so i may be forced to join.
'Whether or not a union improves the lots of the average worker is another question'
I understand that Seagate dont have to agree to anything the Union, if theyve played hard ball behind thus far, would it not be in their interest to continue to do so if the Union get in. I have ones talking about increased holiday and large payrises some which seem unrealistic in the current climate. All this really comes down to is money. Is representation really worth £150 a year of my money just for payrises to be prolonged due to hard negotiation.
Union dues just wastes resources. The free market actually works. Look at Toyota and Tesla non union vs GM autoworkers. Guess whose workers are happier and have higher compensation? A hostile union will absolutely motivate minimizing the site. Would you want to deal with it if you owned a business? But please do immediately go on strike and demand a raise equal to the CEO. I need entertainment after all!
as pointed out, there’s no money to move somewhere cheaper If you believe the company will act in good faith then little need for representation, but if they are impacting your benefits, compensation at will, is this acting in good faith? Do employees need representation to be treated fairly. Be mindful representation covers wages, hours, and working conditions, little else. The company continues to reward shareholders with dividends, that’s money that could be reinvested in the business, including employee compensation, so don’t feel bad about the company’s financials
NRM has the new fab, so not sure why you say there isn't capacity for demand. However the Thai floods that shut down WD for an extended period did motivate a need to make sure there are two sites for they key components so that should keep both sites open.
Seagate won't move somewhere cheaper, since they have to money to create a new site. That means its just NRM and STST. The question is whether Seagate can build enough heads out of NRM so that STST can be closed. Even with the number of drives sold dropping, I don't think NRM is sufficient to meet demand. Bottom line is, I don't think there is much risk to putting a union in STST. Whether or not a union improves the lots of the average worker is another question.