Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Loyalty definitely doesn't pay

So true and a very important lesson for all new people joining work force. Thanks for sharing these gems.

I'm getting out after 15 years and everyone hit the nail on the head. My tech stack was still making dial up sounds so finding a new position was super challenging but finally managed. Loyalty definitely doesn't pay

Well said Man!!

Applies to many companies now a days

Brutally honest

Seems like you had disagreements or some conflict with your BOSS at ORCL. Even if someone is below average and say YES BOSS on the face, even if you do nothing, you could have easily survived at ORCL. There are hundreds of example of such people in ORCL.

Even if you made whatever millions for ORCL, you cannot upset your BOSS. Its a big NO NO at ORCL. BOSS is GOD at ORCL.

Hope whoever are stuck can learn from this.

Thanks for sharing wise lessons. Must follow for most companies.

In order to survive any layoff, specially if you unable to change for whatever reason, be an obedient servant and always say Yes BOSS. You are not an employee @ ORCL just a modern slave.

If you are an IC, do not work very hard and enjoy life. Start saying NO to unnecessary demands, extended working hours and weekends. DONT be fooled by promotions @ Oracle. They are the biggest trap. Keep learning relevant open source technologies and get out. I know lot of people making 6x-7x following this strategy.

Vote +1 if u see these scenarios, is it a common trait across the org?

# 5+ yrs as IC with consistent best perf rating & no promotion.
# Mgrs and upper levels getting promotion every other year.
# Mgrs treating ICs like trash, taking credits of their hard work.
# No reasonable raises, bonuses or stock options to IC.
# 90% of the recent layoffs only affected the ICs.
# Favoritism within the team.
# Hiring family/relatives over others.
# If u complain or report any of the above to HR, no actions and just to top it off, u will risk your position in the next layoff.

I was RIF’d in Oct after 9-years. Lucky to find 2x Job immediately

I spent 20 years at Oracle before being RIFd, and I should have left after 10 max. The longer you’re there, the more stale your skills become. Don’t be foolish into thinking you have a long term career at Oracle. Move on, there are far better companies to work at.

No other company comes even close. The management is made up of zombie-like airheads lacking all logic and all empathy. If someone put a paper bag over their heads they couldn’t find their way out! Seriously, it’s that bad. They can’t figure out how to rate the people under them because they have no clue what they do and have no idea how anything is supposed to be done. Oracle is bizarro-world. I used to think that if I went up the management chain I would eventually find someone who had a clue, but that is not true. There is no one. Clowns managed by even bigger clowns, all of them afraid someone will notice what they are and see past their stupid titles. What a waste of time it was working at Oracle.

It legit seems to be the worst company run by the worst people. I have never read as much terrilble stuff about a company this size. I recently left a well known company and their culture was terrible, but they haven't been around as long as Oracle. It seems like Oracle mgmt just let so many bad things happen over the years that people (the worker bees) accepted the bad behavior and traded it for a paycheck and bennies; I understand that....many have families and such. It's just terrible to see so many people who are hurting, have been hurt and will be hurt. My time at Oracle, like many, was the worst career decision I could've made. While it didn't ruin my life, it sure made me realize how many terrible people are lurking at these companies. Just so many bad actors. The sad part about it, what I felt, was that the bad actors, the sl--e, it was usually the people with the least talent, the least technical skills, the least ability. People who have good skills, who have been in the trenches, they just dont act as bad as these bad actors. It's just sad. I couldn't wake up every morning knowing I was a POS. There are just so many terrible people in mgmt there. It's sad. And the funny thing is they will totally scr-ew you, smile at you, and then say, "sorry, we just can't help you". Even HR. The worst. People with zero morals or empathy. Life is short folks.....you will eventually have to pay a price for what you did.

Reading all comments, seems like blessing in disguise. All the best.

Some companies and their greed is making humanity suffer. Not good for our future

The younger folks have figured this out. Do the job you were hired for and nothing else. Never give 100%.

Well said. Way to go, a lesson to be learned from younger generation.

The younger folks have figured this out. Do the job you were hired for and nothing else. Never give 100%. Move around because there is zero loyalty. Don’t compromise your principles. A job is for money and isn’t your life.

There is a reason why the corporate press has been dumping on the Millennials. They have figured out the scam and refuse to play.

Wise advice. Thanks for sharing

Since you have done so well in past, you will do great in future. Your experience would be valuable, new technology can be learnt easily. All the best

After many years of firing in CX & OCI, profits are not increasing

From another post a person mentioned VP and senior mgmt works like crazy till midnight. Hope they are humans not robots

Garbage in Garbage out

from personal connections, whoever quit or laid off from Oracle are doing 3x-5x better in terms of career growth and monetary growth. I think you should be happy as you are no more a doormat. All the best

Share with anyone in your contacts planning to join big O

I never came across one non manager that said they were proud of their careers at oracle. They’re basically there cause they know they’re outdated. It’s terrible what they’ve done to so many

See the Oracle Doormat Principle. Read it. Study it. It explains all of this.

I never came across one non manager that said they were proud of their careers at oracle. They’re basically there cause they know they’re outdated. It’s terrible what they’ve done to so many

I was at oracle for 15 years. I worked in one of the GBUs. Absolutely one of the worst decisions and experiences I ever had in my life. I got out and realized everything I had done there and learned, was worthless. The people that stay in the GBU realize that they can’t make it anywhere else. That’s a hard truth they have to swallow.

Be prepared.

I’d recommend updating one or more versions of your resume. One for each role you may seek. Maybe float a few applications to see how it fares.

Add or modernize your skills. Pick up some relevant certs for the roles you might seek.

Review your finances and war game layoff scenarios. What expenses can you reduce quick, what’s your savings runway look like, etc.

Reach out to your network in advance of a potential layoff. Don’t underestimate the value of relationships.

After many years of firing in CX & OCI, profits are not increasing. Its obvious but so called smart people with inflated titles are not able to figure it out at Oracle. LOL

Near zero growth for 90% in US. No personal life. Long working hours and you would gain experience in technologies that will hurt future career, especially in FA.

Strategy is to replace US employees with cheaper resource from other countries. Hope others who are stuck can anticipate or burnout.

No excuse for employee abuse.
To hate employees & customers is beyond everything I was taught in business school, believed and practiced for 30 years. Oracle needs to modernize mgmt.

Fantastic advice and generous of you to provide it. Very sorry about the job loss you experienced. You are not alone. Please don’t give up.

Man. So well said. I can’t even believe someone who seems so logical and sounds like a sound leader was just thrown to the side of the road. You are not trash, Oracle is.

I see many managers in Oracle behave badly with their employees. Why are people stuck? Have some dignity and courage to quit

After many years of firing in CX, profits are not increasing. Its obvious but so called smart people with inflated titles are not able to figure it out at Oracle. LOL

Exit if you see any of below -

Micro-management and interference with employees' work

Public criticism or humiliation of employees

Unpredictable and erratic behavior

Emotional manipulation and playing favorites

Overemphasis on results at the expense of employee well-being

Disregard for employee input or suggestions

Blaming others for their own mistakes

Creating a hostile work environment through intimidation, threats, or excessive pressure

Failing to provide support, resources, or opportunities for professional growth

Excessive control over employees' personal lives and schedules.

“ Abandon all hope you who enter here. “

you were just a number on a paper …

Not even that anymore.

the worst part is that you were just a number on a paper.

True for most companies

I totally relate to it. Been there in the same boat at Oracle