Thread regarding USAA layoffs

PIPs are not good.

"I've literally worked in HR for a Fortune 500. I'm telling all of you as a matter of fu----g FACT that PIPs are not meant to be completed. HR even tells managers when they want to fire someone "okay, put them on a PIP and start collecting documentation to build a case". If you get put on a PIP what your company is telling you is that they want to fire you but don't have a strong reason yet.

I highly recommend that people don't sign a PIP if it's presented to them. Usually the company outlines the reasons you're being put on a PIP and they request your signature. If you sign it you're essentially agreeing with their points. It's like admitting that you're bad at your job. Either make edits to the document before you sign it where you dispute their claims or just flat out refuse to sign it. It will be better for you in the long run in terms of collecting unemployment and wrongful termination if you haven't signed away your position in advance.

Keep in mind, the point of a PIP is that they don't have a good enough reason to fire you yet. The PIP exists to create a case against you. That's the whole idea. People who think it's a chance to keep their job are delusional. "

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Post ID: @OP+1nARHbHO

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Yes we did perhaps sign some sort of waiver but there are circumstances that such waiver would be rendered invalid. Namely, if you get EEOC on your side. See link below:

https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/eeoc-chair-applauds-passage-ending-forced-arbitration-act

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Post ID: @6clv+1nARHbHO

There won’t be any class action. We all signed an arbitration agreement.

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Post ID: @4kiw+1nARHbHO

What's the deal with the class action? I am skeptical of that going anywhere. USAA has a bottomless war chest of member money to pay for top notch legal resources. How is a little ragtag band of disgruntled employees going to compete with that? Unless a whistleblower can unearth some kind of smoking g-n regarding illegal HR practices. And no - we can't just announce they violated UDAAP by asking people to RTO; that's not a thing.

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Post ID: @4cot+1nARHbHO

It is in our best interests to file a class action lawsuite. We need to yell our war cry, and join together.

Those who have been victimized need their severance packages. Those in the middle of it now need this barbaric trick rescinded. And those who have yet to be victimized need to realize how this violates basic employee rights to a work environment that is not hostile or threatening.

What if we shut the place down for a week with a strike?

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Post ID: @2thu+1nARHbHO

@1zsb+1nARHbHO

That’s a worthwhile clarification. Appreciate it!! Haha

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Post ID: @1uwh+1nARHbHO

Trust me folks, the grass really is greener, it just takes courage to start looking. I hate to admit, I was a kool aid drinker, I wore those USAA glasses proudly, thinking USAA was the top of the mountain. I was a bank employee for 7 years and left back in April. USAA has people thinking they’re only worth something there and no one else will want you. They’ll try to scare you saying the job market is bad, but I got hired at frost bank, same job, higher salary and this is the happiest I’ve been about work in the last 3 years.

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Post ID: @1rlz+1nARHbHO

So if I don't sign my PIP, wouldn't my manager terminate me immediately? Wouldn't it be better to sign it and during that PIP period, look for another job?

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Post ID: @1abi+1nARHbHO

I wiped my a-s with a pip once and RATHER enjoyed it.

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Post ID: @1zsb+1nARHbHO

I wiped my a-s with a pip once and father enjoyed it.

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Post ID: @1kbz+1nARHbHO

@fvl+1nARHbHO

I’ve seen this on other threads: USAA has always had the goal of being BETTER than everyone else. Better for our Members, better for our Employees, better for the industry. And, we used to be. Part of what upsets people with tenure when they read a post that says something like, “hey, look, other banks do it too, its just the way things are” is that it means mediocrity is being normalized. It means people have stopped even trying to be better. And that SU-KS

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Post ID: @1vol+1nARHbHO

@fvl+1nARHbHO, aka numbnuts. The reason it is starting to happen at USAA is because USAA is becoming just like Wells Fargo… because half of their rejected executives were brought here. They are doing what they did at Wells Fargo.

So put the kool aid down and start developing some critical thinking skills. You’re probably going to those skills after you get laid off, or “retired”, or PIPed without cause.

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Post ID: @hlz+1nARHbHO

So you whether you refuse to sign the PIP and then are in a hostile situation with your manager, or you meekly sign it, in both scenarios you are basically not having a bright future there, sounds to me.

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Post ID: @mks+1nARHbHO

So what is interesting is last night I was chatting with a friend who works for Wells. She leads a team and her leadership asked her to put a few of her people on PIPs and they’re her top performers. She told her leadership that she would absolutely not do that to them because their ratings have always been good.

It doesn’t sound like just USAA as it’s happening other places too.

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Post ID: @fvl+1nARHbHO

Remember, HR IS NOT THERE TO HELP EMPLOYEES. They are there to do whatever EMG wants, even if it is wrong. Even more so under Tamla.

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Post ID: @knp+1nARHbHO

Former HR here. Agree with everything.if you are put on a PIP you will not come off.

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Post ID: @lic+1nARHbHO

100% this is true. 18 years in HR for Fortune 500 companies, and this is always, always, always the case. USAA calls this being performanced out. You can write that you refuse to sign where your signature goes, and add that you contest the truthfulness of the items. if it is retaliation for your protected activity or related to a protected class you are a part of, you should say that also.

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Post ID: @sty+1nARHbHO

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So the moral of the story with USAA is that you should be actively looking for your next role. I left, and am now earning a lot more and gaining experience that increases my self-confidence and self-worth.

The Manager's enacting these tactics are people who cannot find great jobs. And they will be shredded in the very same machine they are currently feeding.

It is toxic. It will not grow your career. They will su-k you dry and sp-t you out.

Leave

And be happy!

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