Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

Meessiah brings a false narrative their is no redemption

IDM and IFS with 4 in 5 is false prophet

  1. IDM where Intel makes its own silicon can’t continue. Even if LTD ever fixes its broken culture and gets on track technology 4 in 5 it isn’t enough. Not enough volume to ever learn fast enough or pay back the RD costs to compete effectively against AMD in x86 or Nvidia and AMD in graphics or those three and Apple and others in other areas. Not enough diversity and volume to make cost effective fabs. Any question why Intel needs tens of billions of government handouts ?
  1. . Hey lets be a foundry so we can get volume and learning and it so win win at the leading node, seriously? After what happens with Canon, Ice on 10nm who the fu€k will invest their leading edge product on IFS and hundreds of millions of dollars to see it fail. Best example is Qualcomm experience in one foundry versus another. Choose wrongly and years of planning and business fail. Let’s buy Tower it can make Intel great, sorry wrong foundry and to small and brings little. They needed to buy UMC or GF, epic fail and now no money and no scale.

Must be so sad for the employees moral

Again look at From Savvy @1lio+1ldXXqcP

IFS will never happen and here is why:

Intel lacks the ecosystem of tools, libraries and partners to broadly compete vs TSMC. this is 30 years to fix.

Intel does not keep 4-5 generation of legacy nodes around like TSMC. This is a big, big deal. Customers want to know they can get parts for years to come. Intel doesn't have the capital or the low cost structure needed to keep 4 generations around.

Manufacturing acumen needed for IFS is low volume, high mix of SKUs. Intel is low mix, high volume on its products. Intel has no understanding or skillset on how to be customer responsive and do highly flexible production planning for a low volume, high mix scenario.

The culture is broken. At Intel TD designs the process and you get what they give you. They are rude and arrogant and don't have the time of day for any product that is not leading edge and high volume. This will not sit well with potential IFS customers and the relationships and culture will simply not be compatible.
Let's say I am wrong on all of the above... o.k. lets talk about over what period of time and at what cost would such a new venture take? I easily estimate that it would take Intel 10-20 years to invest to build the capability. The bill for that could be as much as $20 - $40 Billion. The problem is that the type of investor Intel has today will not stand for it. They will quickly grow impatient and cut the funding off. Already, Intel bonds have been downgraded (last week). I project in the next 18 months the dividend will be cut. The core business has degraded so far that Intel can no longer hope to fund the fantasy IFS ride with margin dollars from the core business

What do you think? Any comments on this analysis? What did I get wrong?

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@vtm .. lol

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Post ID: @egs+1leZFJav

Successfully Foundry needs whales like Apple, Qualcomm, MediaTek, Nvidia and AMD and also hundreds of small fish.

Intel can’t even manage a couple products and shuttles in their fab. They have no chance to compete successfully where a fab has both high runners, tens to hundreds of low volume and new products coming in weekly. Their engineers, managers and manufacturing have no clue to how to run this. Everyone one of those products are important to that company. Who in their right mind would trust IFS when the company depending on them and for half a decade delay on 10nm and how many stepping to get the make or break product out the door. Those are your IFS fab team, please trust us!

You want to be in the leaders rear view mirror? Pat has a node and fab to run your silicon, you can be as effective and timely as Intel internal products if you use IFS, LMAO

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Post ID: @fpp+1leZFJav

Foundry is undercapitalized.
Period.

TSMC capex is multiples of Intel.

Intel doesn’t have the revenue to justify this level of spend.

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Post ID: @xfs+1leZFJav

4 in 5!!!!! Intel will be kicking AMD AND ARM bo--y all over the place!!!!!!

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Post ID: @pel+1leZFJav

Intel won't turn around unless it fixes its fabs. They are so unorganized. They lack tools and staging so techs can keep the place running right. You cannot be an industry leader and chasing fires just to barely meet demands let alone expand Technicians are burnt out after walking marathons in the fab on a weekly basis trying to find thins. Morale is low and IDGAF is palatable. Mid and upper management don't care about the fab techs and that's going to bite them in the backside. Too many chiefs and medicine men not enough braves.

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Post ID: @kdh+1leZFJav

The foundry business needs to be spun off. Its CEO must put himself on the line for getting clients. He can't be another VP fighting turf battles against other VPs and scheming to be the next CEO of the IDM.

The main positive for an Intel foundry is politics. Everyone would be willing to keep an eye on it, to work with it somewhat. By doing so, IFS has a foot in the door.

The eco system wouldn't be too hard either. EDA companies are looking for rare chances for growth. And here it is.

The culture issue has to be fixed with a firm hand. It's easy to do when the company is focused on winning businesses.

It can be done. All you need is a few doers.

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Post ID: @nbm+1leZFJav

There, their, and they’re. Please look them up.

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Post ID: @vlh+1leZFJav

I can't help but wonder if AMD hired an offshore company to write these posts. The poster can't even spell simple words correctly in the headline.

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Post ID: @uug+1leZFJav

I think you lost credibility when you used the wrong “there” there.

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Post ID: @zmz+1leZFJav

Pretty much nailed it.

Somewhere, Brian Krzanich is sitting around wearing a sh!t-eating grin, with his golden thumb shoved up so far up his a$$ he spits out 14K phlegm.

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