Thread regarding Verizon Communications Inc. layoffs

Finally, Dan addresses that satellites CANNOT overtake the ground based network, and even mentioned Physics!

Of course, there will still be the Starlink stock pumpers on here who think we are all flat earthers.
Looks like someone coached Dan about how Starlink CANNOT take away from the terrestrial networks in a very substantial way. Physics!

Per Dan, in the article:
In terms of broadband competition from satellite providers, “it is very difficult for satellite providers to provide a service that's even close to what we can provide with our broadband services,” he said.
He walked through the basics of satellite beams and what they can offer by way of speeds versus ground-based systems.
“We’re like 100 times to 1,000 times more efficient,” he said. “Our speeds and capabilities are much higher, and it’s basically not possible because of physics. Not because of execution, but because of physics.”
The majority of Verizon’s service revenue is in urban and suburban geographies. He acknowledged that satellite does have a total addressable market (TAM) that’s probably between 6 million and 8 million homes in the U.S., primarily in very rural geographies where building out a terrestrial network is cost prohibitive.

“It doesn’t pencil out,” he said.

https://www.fierce-network.com/wireless/verizon-ceo-shuts-down-starlink-mvno-talk-touts-strong-q2-comeback


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@dw - Capacity. As the spectrum gets congested by traffic, speeds go down. In a nutshell, that is the physics behind why a satellite network is not going to take over the ground based network. Yes, a good handful of people can get incredible speeds from a satellite connection. But, as the number of connections go up, the affect on the speeds will begin. Now consider satellite(s) covering Manhattan. How many connections do you think will be needed there, and how many connections do you think will be available from satellites covering that section of the earth at any one time? Do you own research. Ask an RF engineer (a good one).

This has been addressed several times on this site. Here is a link with a detailed explanation (but the site butchered the cut and paste from Google, and the author did not fix it):
https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1ks936hnt

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Post ID: @f9+1kyazwg3r

What's interesting is that ATT and T-MO CEOs said very similar things on their calls. I guess everyone aligned on talk track pre-earnings call.

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Post ID: @eb+1kyazwg3r

According to executives people care about 5g ultra wideband and nobody cares about speed at that level. Most of us (99%) just want reliable 50mbps to stream video and make phone calls. You can do that with a satellite connection.

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Post ID: @dw+1kyazwg3r

@z, @bf - Regarding v3.... 1 - Any improvements in technology that can be sent into space can also be implemented on the ground (unless specifically required to be in space to see the improvement). 2 - The turnaround time/cost/difficulty/etc. for upgrades to a satellite network are a little more challenging than what they are for a ground based network. Given just those two points, it is easy to see Starlink will not gobble up the business of the ground based operators. That said, this is not a rah, rah statement for Dan, AT&T, or TMO, and it is not bashing anyone either (although the greed of all shows they all su-k), it is just addressing the false promises?/assumptions? about what Starlink's impact will be on the status quo wrt ground based networks.

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Post ID: @dk+1kyazwg3r

I will put my money on Elon any day before I would give Dan one red cent.

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Post ID: @bf+1kyazwg3r

Idk... v3 next generation is up there

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Post ID: @az+1kyazwg3r

Must be a few Starlink stock owners who bought early on here. I've got news for you - that money is gone.

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Post ID: @am+1kyazwg3r

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