It’s convenient to blame engineers at every level, but management seems to operate in a different accountability universe—one where failure has no real consequences.
At the LL6, LL5 level and above, you see the same pattern of weak, indecisive leadership repeating the same mistakes quarter after quarter. There’s little ownership, no urgency to correct course, and no visible standard for performance. Yet the paychecks keep coming, funding comfortable lifestyles that appear completely detached from the results they deliver.
What’s worse is the revolving door. Ineffective managers get swapped out, only to be replaced by equally ineffective ones. Nothing improves because the system itself tolerates—and even rewards—mediocrity. It’s not just an individual failure; it’s structural.
At that point, calling it a product-driven organization feels dishonest. It looks far more like a closed circle protecting itself—an insular social club that talks strategy but consistently fails to execute anything of real substance.
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I mean, yeah is there any point to this? There are other things worth discussing on this board. Everyone knows this already. Worthless.
@kt It’s not right that people have to put up with the nut jobs that are in the LL ranks, Ford needs to do a better job of only promoting sane and grounded people. It is shocking that they think they’re doing the right thing, hopefully someday they wake up and realize how sh---y they’ve been.
Trying to work with organizations that have management like this is absolute he-l, let alone working in one. Can you imagine having to be an LL6 and having to engage in that childish game to survive at the job? What a nightmare. I'm amazed anyone adapts and puts up with it. Just unfathomable to me that someone would think that is how they want their career to be. Go home, look in the mirror and think they are putting good into the world. Amazing. Avoid management positions at Ford at all costs. Anyone offers you one, take it as a negative and run.
@f4 Sometimes the LL4s go completely off the rails and up the walls with situations. It’s sad to see the level of psychopathy that actually works here. Completely oblivious to the fact that they’re actually doing everything so transparently that we all see through it. Remedial business really, not sure why upper management doesn’t see this, incompetence at its finest.
Management is a bunch of psychopaths, no regard for employees, it really is sickening and low class.
Thank you, spot on, needed this today.
OP - Do you have anything concrete to point to? Otherwise, this is the same generic whining/trolling that makes up every 3rd post.
The most important skill of a Ford middle manager is CYA and throwing people under the bus. My manager is a certified expert.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ford-recall-f-150-pickup-trucks-gearshift-issue/