Rumors are that PTO and SICK time are getting merged into one pile with a max of 160 hours. Go over 160 and expect a call from management explaining why you are taking more hours than approved. What a demoralizing situation...
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Seeing it fully realized now. Put in a PTO request for a week off almost a month ago now, and they STILL haven't approved it. This lack of clarity is extremely frustrating.
Well it gets better, as of yesterday each segment will have it's own PTO policy. These people have no clue what they're doing.
@w9, the payout rules vary by state.
Looks like they just put an end to 4/10 schedules
@OP it was a rite of passage getting to 25 years and EARNING that 5th week of vacation. I will continue to take as close to 200 hours of vacation every year, not including sick time
@de for the newbies, when they switched to pto they paid everyone’s accumulated vacation hours, but didn’t actually pay it out, although they withheld the taxes on the amount. It’s in some deferred account that u can only collect when u leave the company. In theory all the payout monies are collecting interest for l3 and when I leave I’ll get those vacation hours paid to me in 2012 ish hourly wages.
@de so you know what I signed in 1985 has that wording, lol. For Harris u got the 5th week at 25 years
@de you sound like an a-s
@ej they don’t have us. Many of us are office spacing around here.
Heard this rumor 3 weeks ago from a manager friend. I have just hit 20 years. Used to be that would have given me 5 weeks. Many people were hired in the last several years with the advertised unlimited PTO. I don't think it has anything to do with the policy being abused. If so then they should just set an expectation about what abuse means and then enforce that. It's a punishment and all about chasing after pennies to prop up the stock price. Seems if you have happy employees you get better work output. Not in this environment, they know they have us, as not many people are hiring right now and tons of people are looking for jobs. Could be right. I predict layoffs in the next couple years, just a hunch based on the weasel words of last few all hands meetings. If a manager gives me a taking to, I would point to the current policy which says nothing about this rumored change (yet) and go about my business. I agree- let us take time without pay!
They need to offer unpaid leave for the salary positions then because I work to live not live to work.
@d9 the documents you signed when you were hired, have in it that the company reserves the right to change the terms of your employment anytime they want. Of course, you have that option too. You can quit without notice. Just like they can fire you without notice.
If you feel that the terms of your employment have been violated, you can try to talk to an attorney but they will probably not take the case. Because there is no case. The bottom line is, the company giveth and the company taketh away. But then again so can you.
But that said, where did the other 40 hours go? I was hired with 200 hours "unscrutinized" PTO.
It's better for people who are sick with a long illness who can't take vacations. (Think cancer and chemo). Being questioned about 160 hours of sick time and 8 hours of PTO is demoralizing and having HR tell you to take FMLA for chemo, and at the same time yelling at you to take vacation is ridiculous. PTO shouldn't be scrutinized until the numbers are up, because it is Paid Time Off, not Paid Time Off Vacation and Paid Time Off Sick and definitely not Paid Time Off if We Deem it Ok. If they want to do it that way, it should go back to Vacation and Sick and not combined.
Was shocked I wasn't walked out the door when I told my managers and HR where they could go with the policy.
Yeah.. I took 2 hours of sick leave and it was highly scrutinized.. a lot of us are veterans.. have appointments they knew that when they hired us.
They took away the unlimited sick time because it was being abused . (Dropping the microphone here)
Union people are given 4 weeks after 10 years of service. It takes 5 years to get 3 weeks. 5 days sick time and 2 personal days. Union people who exceeded these guidelines were written up and often passed over for scheduled upgrades. So long " unlimited" sick time for management phonies.