A lot of quiet quitters and underperformers on this forum
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@w2 That’s what I did. TIAA literally paid me, severance, to go work for a competitor fully remote. BTW I never complained about 3 days in the office, but then they decided to close that office.
@wd I was laid off in the Denver office closure. Now working fully remote and putting in longer hours. I can go to the office if and when I want to, which worked out great for me when I needed a quiet place to work during some noisy home repairs.
@w2
@dv here. I don't need to find another company to work from home. I'm still doing it at TIAA! And I actually like my job. Now, if TIAA tells me I have to move to Texas to keep my job, then I'll take my nice severance and find another job. And yes, I do have a very particular set of skills - this is why I am still 100% remote.
To the other commenter regarding getting a conference room. I travel to the office once a year. My team does meet in a conference room. But I also know how difficult it is to get a conference room. So I was referring to coworkers who are all in the same call at their own desks all the time and not in a conference room. Can they collaborate more when they aren't on calls? Sure. But my point was that "collaboration" is a farce with respect to return to the office. The EC should just be honest and say they want everyone in the office without making BS reasons for it. It's pretty clear they want to use it as a tool to lower head count.
@w2 not @dv but I ve been fully remote after being laid off from the dumpster fire that is TIAA for almsot a year.
All I have to say is it is shocking how behind the times TIAA is not just in terms of working in an office but working period. OMG the people at TIAA are being handicapped by working there.
My advice is to get out while you can even if swapping a 3 day week in office to a 5 day in office if you can't find hybrid or remote jobs.
I hear CapTrust is headed to Charlotte and that would be a top choice if I needed a job or wanted out of TIAA.
@dv If you love working from home so much, find a company that is OK with this. Most large corporations today demand 3-4 or even 5 days in the office. Not just TIAA
If you truly have unique skills you will find a job that allows that WFH flexibility.
Been rated a 4 every year for the past 5 years (i.e. not an under performer)
I have no bias towards being in the office or not. I would be here if they told me I didn't need to be, but I'd still have plenty of days working from home. I think 3/2 is great and I wish they would stop micro managing it.
@je 100% agree wit you on this:
“TIAA fu---d up and created this mess when they left the hybrid schedule up to employees.”
Lots of other firms do hybrid right. Some make Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday required in office days for everyone. Mondays and Friday’s are the flexible days to from home or come in if you want to be in the office more. And they don’t track us like children that TIAA.
I’m much happier with that change because we actually can collaborate as we are all in office the same day and for most of the same hours.
TIAA fu---d up and created this mess when they left the hybrid schedule up to employees.
I left TIAA (for >2x my salary so NOT an under-performer) but my new role has me in an office 3 days a week. Employees CAN’T choose their days. It works. It provides flexibility. It stopped the gaming of the system (and yes, I gamed the TIAA system) and allows for the perceived “collaboration”. This also allows those in-office bootlickers to go in more than 3x a week.
No one at my new firm gives a fu-k about card swipes, stepping away for coffee, time on the VPN/wifi, etc. It was an adjustment, but it works for EVERYONE as expectations were level set from the beginning. And quite frankly, it’s been refreshing to be treated like an adult.
@e7 so you aren't interested in the potential solution then? Pick a lane. Either come in and do zooms apart and complain or come in and do meetings together In a conference room. And by the way Mad Men was a TV show, not real life.
@e1 Your mad man 1960s office is calling you. Younger people will not tolerate this.. look around the average tiaa worker is 60. Be a dinosaur and you will join them.
@dv here's an idea: if you are on calls with people that are within feet of each other, then how about getting together in a conference room? It's funny - folks here see this as some sort of "control" but apparently without our management encouraging this obvious solution, they can't seem to figure it out on their own. Easier to whine and complain I guess? We are the outlier in financial services but you would never know that. Until it's gone because folks can't show up 3 measly days.
False. I've worked from home my entire 15+ year tenure with the company. I don't have cats and I'm too busy working to be sitting around watching TV or whatever it is you think is happening with remote workers. It's not for everyone, but there are quite a lot of us who are seasoned and kick-a-s at our jobs.
Needing to be in the office to "collaborate " is total nonsense. When I'm in the offices, everyone is sitting at their desks on the same zoom call 3 feet away from each other. We still have multiple offices too.
@d4 Nuveen is quite successful and in my view has a very good CEO, and is actually succeeding. The recent merger announcement is another great win for the company.
@dd Topic starter here
I love my family, but my wife also works and is in the office during the day. Fortunately, TIAA provides plenty of paid time off and we use them for family events and travel.
There are several people here who have nothing but hate and insults to offer. Also, I am not a boomer.
@df I am not old enough to be boomer. But I think most critical comments here are from losers who truly don't want to work or succeed, and love to complain about everything.
There may be a small percentage of employees that don't need to be in the office 3 times a week. But most workers certainly benefit from personal interaction and working in the office, not sitting at home all day.
Nothing shouts Facebook Boomer Trying to Sound Like the Cool Kids louder than starting a post with “Unpopular Opinion:”.
Popular opinion: boomers hate their families, have no hobbies, and being a character at work is their only personality trait.
More popular opinion: Mornonic leaders use control to feel better about themselves and have something to point to as an "accomplishment". Obviously considering the state of the company this has not been the answer - and far more successful competitors do not have this policy and actually support MORE flexibility or don't have a set requirement. Trust is a 2 way street - and I will be joining one of those competitors soon. Tell yourself whatever you want to convince yourself you are making the right choice staying (you probably don't have any skills anyone else would want - but many of us do and will be loudly leaving and taking their retirement $$ to a competitor).
@av I agree that it may not be necessary for every job to be in the office 3-4 days a week, but it is good for most office jobs. Large corporations often have exceptions that require additional approvals if they truly make sense for the business
I mean, I’m a dedicated worker but still don’t need to go to the office for my role. I’ll give 100% between the hours of 8-4, as my dedication is solely to support a fund the life I have outside the company that defines who I am. But nah, going in the office isn’t needed for all roles. But it is weird to be called a bootlicker for just adhering to the policy regardless of my preference. I’ve got a family, a mortgage, and want to retire at a decent age.
Truly dedicated employees know how to work without wasting time in the office. Get real. Dedication and being in the office have nothing to do with each other. Neither does loyalty to a company that throws people and their careers away.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Ray, please quit posting on this forum. We get it. You are going for 100 years with the company and leading the lack of life time earners at others’ expense, but stop with spam please.