Thread regarding Ford layoffs

@OP

I'd say you're the only one posting about it here like it's some kind of surprise.....

@tf Who or what is Babsi?

Babsi will take everyone from India ???!!!! BA:BSI !!!!!!!

@1m8

Yeah really, --- "Oh hi Nepotism I didn't even see you there. You too Fraud...how are you both? When are you guys going to call your friend Scammy Fake Degree and schedule a lunch? Man i wish I would have noticed you all sooner, I could have made sense of this whole career black hole I've been in all these years...would have made much more sense....sheesh...oh well!"

@OP So your just waking up to the Indian mafia? Your either in the club or not.

@1dc There are a lot of nasty people at Ford now, it's not the more family values culture it used to be. I started drinking after RTO to forget the weeks, I had forgotten the only reason I quit drinking was to because I was away from loonies clutching their pearls.

@zr

It's like they think eons of human evolution can be wiped out in a few years if they clutch their pearls tightly and hate orange man enough.

@hx

Pre-judging isn't the issue, stereotypes exist for a reason.

The problem people are the ones who can't have their opinion of someone changed once they get to know them

Hiring cheap Indian labor may be good in the short term for quarterly earnings but is horrific for long term productivity and morale. I've always wondered why so many corporations hire cheap Indian labor for implementations only to find out that the quality is horrific and hire again Americans at full price to fix the Indians' mistakes. Ultimately you pay India labor + American labor as opposed to just American labor. Not saving $$ in any period past the short term

@OP

@OP

• Highest rank at ICPC international programming contest: 59 out of 144
• Highest performance on PISA international school testing: 73 out of 74
• Number of notable Indian game studios: 0
• Number of globally recognizable megacorps originating in India: 0
• Number of academic Nobel Prizes won by Indians in India in the last 25 years: 0

How did a lot of them get to be heads of our top tech companies?

Nepotistic fraud.

@yt Frau, that wasn't me, please stop attributing everything negative to me.

@yt

The claim itself is meaningless. It's true on its own merits and imperical. Simply disliking it doesn't make it untrue. It's likely repulsive to the feminine.

No coincidence quality issues started becoming major problem after the big push to swap American jobs for Indians + DEI BS.

@yt I agree, this is archaic.

@vw You are demonstratably incorrect. Just claiming something as truth doesn't make it so. I'd suggest gett un-red pilled before you end up alone.

@vj

It'll be fine. It's just true. It's primal and will be true as long as humans exists. You don't have to like it. You can say it's not your game, but it is. Because humans will always human. Projecting dominance without being physically threatening or imposing just makes one look even more like a fool. So that's how most of them end up looking. Instead, one should play their strengths. But they always end up assertive in areas they don't have authority in (perceived or otherwise).

@tp
stop living off of everyone else and we will be fine

@sh This is some grade-A incel, andrew tate BS. Good luck being a sociopath.

You are all so racist that the BAFTAs won’t even let you attend.

Anyone from the Babsi team ? What a browb f,.k

@br

...and why do I get the impression that every teams meeting where they are required to explain something technical it sounds like they are reading from a script (or LLM output)? It one of the things I cannot wait for AI to replace - outsourcing. Give me an agent at GPT 4.5 level to co-work with and has access to company data and I I'd honestly get more out of the interaction. None of this off shoring BS. Please just replace them with chatbots...the IQ level is going to be higher with the right context. For Pete sake aren't we doing this with call centers already? C'Mon.

@h8

No,no - I'm sorry you are confused junior. See, if performance mattered we wouldn't be having this conversation. That's a nice Scooby doo lunch box by the way. Hope your mom packed you a good PB&J.

@j9

"For the same skill level and experience.."

No...none of this. Relax...very few of the off shored replacement for US workers have anywhere near the same skill level. Unless you mean written on the paper from that degree mill they bought their scam degree from. That culture is full of scammers. It's part of the routine over there. Nothing but scams.

@hx
there are genetic and cultural differences

specifically, culturally, they kiss the a-s of the person above them
they treat the people below them poorly
maybe it is because of their caste system
DO NOT TRUST THEM

@hx
wonderful
create an advanced civilization of your own instead of living off of someone else's
culture derives from race and environment

@nr maslows

I have worked with Indian workers for the last couple of decades. There are cultural differences, there are knowledge and critical thinking differences, and most important, there are environmental differences.

I have worked side by side with Indian people in the US and Canada. They are generally Ok to work with them, because they have acquired some western culture and dissed some of the Indian culture. However, working with Indians in India, oh boy! That's a freaking mess.

For starters, they are not hiring the best and brightest in India. Those are already in the US, Europe or Canada. Not only that, they are hiring the bottom of the barrel, the ones willing to work for what is considered "low wages" in a country of low wages. So you get youngsters with no experience, or old jackasses. Then you have the turnstile working at max speed, with people abandoning their jobs after just 3 months, because the job/salary su-ks.

One important cultural difference is that Indian workers never say NO to a request or question, because they are afraid to be replaced if they don't know or can't comply. So if you ask them if they understood your request, they will say YES, even when they didn't.

In general, even with the Indians working here, I never found Indian people being smarter than us. I see some of them more motivated to learn or to succeed than us, but not able of "learning faster", or to come with new ideas. However, I am of the opinion that WILL is more powerful than SMARTS, and that would explain the success of so many asian families in US.

Environmental differences are BIG. A few years ago, at Ford, in the middle of a "crisis", the guy supporting the issue from India left the call because "the bus was leaving". Americans were baffled, because they didn't undertand. Of course, living in this country, where the public transit works, where we have Uber, taxis, where we are used to drive own car, Americans could not understand it. However, the guy was from a small village in India, where there is no transit, he has no car, no Uber, no taxi, and the company is the one providing transportation. The guy miss this bus, he cannot come back to his house for another 24 hours.

So a guy that might not have power that night, that possibly doesn't have indoor plumbing or toilet, that doesn't earn a lot of money, doesn't care for the urgency of a project or incident.

Now, on top of that, add the office politics...

@h8 It's no secret though that they get paid around 35% of what the US employee gets paid for the same skill, level, education, experience. Do you work in tech and see how they operate? If not please let me know when you do.

Please do not pre-judge. Prejudice it is not cool. Everyone should be able to be demonstrate their own character. We are all different.

I’ve never understood why people from shithole nations migrate to the west and attempt to transform it into a replica of the shithole they came from. This place didn’t acquire its prosperity through sheer luck; we have it because our culture allows it.

@h8 Likewise, when you have polluted, corrupted and overpopulated your own country so badly that your biggest dream is to leave it all behind and go live in a country built by westerners, and you are more than happy to pay a middleman some percent of your salary to live in shared residences 10 deep, work for far less than a native would and send your family another chunk of your money because to you and all the other billion plus of your kin who have bought the multi-national corporations’ cover story that you are somehow uniquely talented and should be gifted a seat in the society you and your ancestors had zero hand in building, all so said corporations can undercut local labor and increase profits through labor arbitrage, this is your biggest dream….maybe you are the loser.

We don’t want to be like you. We don’t want to work the way you work. We patiently tolerate you, but have no interest in adopting your ways.

When you can’t out perform an immigrant you call them low skilled or difficult to work with. Same I hear for others. You must an useless white boomer and can’t do the work effectively and blames others because they do better.no matter what and how you crumble with fear and insecurity nothing going to change and eventually you will be lost as a looser, rather blaming yourself for your own useless skills blame immigrants.

I have the same opinion. I find indian workers to never tell the truth to management. Ask if they can get something done by x date and the answer is always YES. Never happens. And when they deliver it's not what you asked for or just plain doesn't function. Good riddance to H1B's.

I have worked with many Indians. Some were good coders and communicators and some weren't. Probably a 60/40 split. At one company, we had one contract company work on the development/programming side of the area and a different contracting company on the support side. They had no reason to cooperate with each other so imagine the conflicts and finger pointing we had.

Indians in the US and Europe are also very difficult to work with, why are you such a geographist?

Only when they aren't doing the needful

They are like that only.

No, you're not the only one. Working with them is demoralizing, I know of high school going kids that have better comprehension skills. Honestly management has no idea what they are doing by bringing in so many of these people.

I don't work at Ford, but work in the tech industry in New York. I have the same issue. The main reason they are defensive is because they think you are going to take their job away. Therefore, the do not share information or when they do, it not complete info. It takes several tries of ping them on Microsoft Teams, or setting up meeting during their time zone and still not responding to pings or showing up to the meeting. I think their higher ups tell them not to give out information due to job security and only feed the info little by little until we give up asking. The funny thing is that my Indian manger who is in USA with us, tells us not to push them so hard because they are under pressure to meet the project deadline. Yet, he still asks us for status on how we are moving along on the project. We continuously tell him we are at a point where we are stuck with information from India team and he won't accept that answer and wants us to try different approaches to project solution but there is info missing so there can't be a project solution. Then he talks to top management and gets our project cancelled. Then when we don't have a project any longer to work on, they start to lay us off. Therefore, the offshore workers in India get to keep their job, get our incomplete work that now needs to be transferred to them because we are getting laid-off. It must be the industry practice their to get more work from USA company locations. It is horrible for us and they get to keep their job.

You put Mung to pin this on someone else and stroke the fire so others could fight a battle for you. Meanwhile you're probably some Bengali that attacks people that don't deserve it anonymously while pretending to be a good person