T minus 41 days, then it’s 4 days a week and 8 hours a day in the office, no ifs, ands, or buts. The directive from above is that WF offers a very generous PTO policy. In Risk, if SM gets her way, 4 hours of PTO will only be considered as 4 hours worked in the office. I’m still hopeful that 4 hours of PTO will be recognized as a full day in the office. I plan to use 4 hours on Mondays and Fridays throughout the summer, every week in July and August.
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@m2 I'll admit to being one of those id--ts @gv described. Terrified of getting fired or laid off and constantly working extra hours to try to avoid either somehow, despite knowing it may not help. There's probably a (genetic?) compulsion factor too. True workaholics do exist, especially among those who have no spouse or other potential safety net.
@jp Just because you can't fathom working that hard doesn't mean people aren't doing it. Not saying it's smart or super common, but it happens.
@jp I had a coworker who worked 50-60 hours a week. He intentionally soaked up the maximum pre-approved OT by being lazy during normal hours and working after hours.
@a5 PTO is for employees to use however and whenever they see fit (discretionary to business needs) except for those of us who have to take 2 week RAs. As far as the half day requirement, that is NOT up to manager discretion. That is company policy.
@gv Ah yes. Those mythical people who are doing 60hrs of work a week and even have to work through their PTO days. Good luck finding any of these people in the real world (otherwise known as an actual office environment where any of this is ever withessed) but they are certainly plentiful online. Its amazing how everyone's packed up and gone by 4pm every day they come into the office, without a care in the world of being overworked, yet as soon as they are all alone they suddenly turn into workaholics who just cant find enough time in their weeks to get everything done. Keep on shoveling that #### if you want to but nobody is buying it.
Do you really need to do a survey to ask why people would rather sit at home in their jammies shopping QVC all day than having to actually get dressed and come to work like the rest of society? If so you may be a mo--n. Congrats.
You would think that instead of spending money to create systems to catch people avoiding coming to the office, they would ask people why they don’t like coming to the toxic,
Germ filled, sick space where people talk ridiculously loud on their speaker phones Why would I rather walk down my hallway at home in comfy clothes & slippers with a quality cup of coffee that i know was made with water that was actually filtered and I can work without earbuds jammed in my ears or being interrupted for no reason I can listen the same meetings on the phone without an uncomfortable headset since we have no actual in person meetings anyway We work in an organization that you can’t ask somebody a question without emailing a team mailbox that you have to wait days for a response from. If I have something to be approved by my manager, I have to send an email even though his office is 20 feet away. Why does is matter where i am sitting? Worked pretty well to keep our office going thru the pandemic. Oh but that benefited the company.
@gf Yes. What's even worse is that some people who take PTO to avoid going to the office still work an 8+ hour day on PTO days because they have so much work to do. They take half days of PTO to avoid having to get ready / pack lunch / commute / find a desk / get distracted, etc., so they can spend more time WORKING. It's crazy (and they know it) but it's happening. It's one of many reasons WF leaders would be nuts to change the half-day PTO = 1 office day policy. These crazy people are working FOR FREE. But it's their PTO and they should be able to use it however they want, even if it makes no sense and only benefits the company that treats them like sh*t.
What a waste of PtO time
@dk Totally agree. But as a practical matter, OP will probably back down and follow whatever PTO rules are adopted by Risk even if they're stricter than rules for the rest of WF. Maybe it made OP feel better for a minute to pretend otherwise. This place blows.
What I don’t get is, why is the OP announcing what he’s going to do - regardless of whether it’s the right or wrong thing to do, but it sure to infuriate the powers that be, which prompt them to take further measures such as what is being suggested that may happen? Just an innocent question: I realize we should have freedom to express our feelings and thoughts; however, if it ends up doing us in then why are we doing it?
Literally why does anyone care how we use our pto and for what? Whether we take half days throughout the year or a full week off, it’s all the same amount of time off.
It’s our pto to use as we want or need.
Once again they are just upset because people aren’t quitting or because people are following RTO rules so they can’t fire them for it
So you proved the other posters point. They took them away to circumvent the system. Btw as a company you want them to use them otherwise they have to carry over. F’ing bootlicker.
And yet, here I am, 100% remote.
@am said "...the '4 hours of PTO counts as 8 hours in the office' isn't up to any one individual as policy to set, change, or decide to enforce differently." Don't the enterprise-wide in-office policies say different groups and business lines can adopt stricter rules? I thought that was how Risk is able to require 4 days per week in office versus 3.
@am True. But SM or any other manager in risk can fire anyone they want for almost any reason (barring discrimination of a protected class, etc.). Not defending them, just a fact. And it does seem like there are too many people in Risk right now.
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you do get 'personal holidays' at WF. 2 days per year.
i'm not in risk and I don't know who "SM" is, but the "4 hours of PTO counts as 8 hours in the office" isn't up to any one individual as policy to set, change, or decide to enforce differently.
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The way the law works for "sick days" is that if a company offers PTO above a certain threshold number of days, then separate sick days aren't required. WF is (significantly) above that threshold.
In certain states and municipalities, WF does track sick days separately but that is to preserve certain protections that some states require for absences due to illness. they come out of the PTO allowance.
Sick days are not an entitlement. They are there to use when actually sick. They were taken away because people abused them because they thought they were entitled to them.
That’s the mentality that makes this place toxic, that and most of the posters here to b*tch and moan how unfair life is.
How did they “intend” PTO to be used? It’s called PTO. No more vacation days, no more sick days, no more personal days. It’s just PTO! How someone uses it was never in the discussions. Most companies have “PTO” on purpose so they can bypass the carryover of sick time. Each state has certain mandates on sick time. So yeah, the intention was to f people over on their carry over of sick time so they don’t have to pay out on it.
Only execs can do that!
@a8 true but doesn't matter. they want us gone. whatever means necessary.
@a7 Yep, and good for me. If OP and others do that, then SM can focus on firing them and maybe the 1% of us in Risk who actually work will survive.
I plan to have another job. F** Wells.
I agree with OP and where I think their logic is coming from. Show me an exec that doesn’t take half days in the summer on Mondays and Fridays so they can enjoy their beach houses, and I’ll show you an exec that cares about your well being. Your move
great plan -- should make you an easy target for her.
None of SMs directs like her, as you can tell. She also can’t speak unless she has notes to read from. Top talent!
Aaaand thats exactly why she's wanting to eliminate doing that as an option. You need to take a half day of PTO to take your kid to the doctor? OK fine. You intend to take half days of PTO "throughout the summer" in order to avoid the oh so unfair expectation that you actually show up to do your job as expected? Nope. Thats not how anyone intended PTO to be used. So when/if this gets changed we will all know its because of people like you. Congrats on ruining it for everyone else, yet again.