I’ve been reading the last few posts, so I wanted to know. Is it really 25% of the entire company that’s getting axed this week? Is there more detail into how that’s being done, or is it completely random? What’s really going to happen?
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@a4
There is a warn alert. It was submitted back in October
@OP yes, but it’s limited to onshore. So, for example, 25% of onshore Optum tech. No one here would question that.
@hd
I think UHC and Optum would definitely fall under the Federal WARN act which triggers the voluntary Minnesota WARN.
UHC and Optum are 2 different companies with headquarters in at least 35 states.
Warn only applies to the following states:
California
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Maine
Massachusetts
Michigan (voluntary)
Minnesota (voluntary)
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New York
Tennessee
Wisconsin
With Mininesota being a voluntary one, with very strong presence in Texas, Florida, Ohio and Conneticut. Texas alone has aproxx 32,000 employees.
They absolutly can layoff 20% over the course of 2025 and 2026 without WARN.
Seems highly unlikely it can be 25% across the board. That would have massive impact and likely the stock would tank even further than it alreasy has.
@d3 UHG is hated by Trump, Liz Warren, Bernie Sanders, John Thune, and everyone in between. To think they would blow-off WARN laws to lay off 85,000 American workers illegally in this political climate, with most of their money coming from the federal or state governments, is irrational.
@cx anyone who thinks company complies with stuff like warn is misguided. They will do whatever they want who’s going to punish them?
The number is 20%. That’s what I expect as highest in any department
@cs in 23 and 24 the percentage was 10% and it was followed I do not know about 2025. I think 25 is high but they did 10% without Warn impact
People saying they don’t have to do WARN for laying off 25% of the entire company are applying a legal standard (it’s based on work
Site) that doesn’t grapple the reality. Firing 76,000 people means they will be firing at least 500 at the MN HQ, which houses thousands and thousands of workers across numerous sections of the business. Every layoff so far has included people I know at HQ. They are not “avoiding people who are in office.”
They can avoid WARN with their weekly layoffs, sure. But OP explicitly said 25% of the entire company.
Unless they are cool paying salary (not severance) to all the MN people for two months they aren’t firing 25% of the entire company this week. And UHG being run by people who balk at giving $20 to the church donation basket are sure as heck not giving 60 days paid before layoff.
That's over 75,000 people. That's not happening.
@a4 They can skirt the WARN rules easily, the letter of the law and the spirit of it are two different things. They can essentially lay-off remote workers at almost any numbers they want, if they have managed how those workers are addressed in their records.
25% of the maybe 10 to 20% on-shore? Not impossible. RIF of remote workers won’t trigger WARN as each location will have just one employee.
They don’t have to trigger a WARN. different job sites
Clickbait ignore
@ac any idea if UMR is going to get hit?
No but there will be a very large layoff across the organization.
Doubtful, but can't completely rule it out over the course of the year
That s is a clickbait post. It's stupid.
25% of the entire company would not be possible without a WARN, which there is not one in Minnesota. They could drop the WARN the same day as the layoffs but then they commit to keeping people on payroll until the WARN period ends.
Now, 25% of certain business lines across H1 2026 spread across different states? Very possible.
don't be silly