i was part of the old EMC Corp before it merged with DELL. It had nasty culture of its own so I do not think DELL is some unusual company in that regard. At EMC there was a distinct bro and ol' boys club culture + substantial bias emanating mainly from one very specific ethnic group which is well known for its intolerance of those who are not one of their own kind and lacked powerful connections. As soon as I moved from EMC Corp I saw a different world out there especially after i moved to a different industry. Feel very happy now, these nothing but distant memories - relics from a past I do not miss in the slightest.
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okay, we know who the women are here now.
@mf spot on about OSB. Worst thing that ever happened to the education area.
@mf yea, so you’re a racist.
The EMC culture was one of winning. You felt proud to be a part of it. It was a great feeling.
Agreed. You can't sell Millions of Dollars of High End Storage like PCs, monitors etc.
With the buyout, at least they kept the EMC Sales Team heading most of the Enterprise customers but it was never the same.
One of the issues with Dell is that they never got completely away from the “we sell consumer PCs”. They thought they could treat the sales teams and customers of high end storage equipment the same way they could get away with treating college students and retired people buying a computer.
Even the services offered are obsolete, like APEX, before they hit the market. And many of the AI offerings are either with subcontractors or something customers can do themselves now.
@mf You affirmative action losers are a big reason this company is circling the drain.
EMC ruled and was built by winners. It's a shame none of that rubbed off on Dell's weak culture which rewards the soft and flabby.
Both places are for old white dudes. In the yearly feedback, I shared my observation that the population in EMC/Dell didn’t match the general population. They did make some adjustments after that, so there’s that. But most of the leadership is there because of cronyism - especially OSB. Dell Learning’s earnings have dropped massively since she took over a few years ago - down about 65% year over year. But do they get rid of her? No, because she is friends with one of the top leader’s wife. And do these old white leaders know what they are doing? No.
I dunno what part of EMC OP worked on but my experience gas been the exact opposite. Under EMC I had amazing managers that understood we're all human, I received 7-10% raises every year, and there were never layoffs. Now raises are minimal (3% at best, most of the team gets nothing), managers are the most toxic bullies that DGAF about anyone but themselves, and there's been folks layed off almost weekly for the past 5 years.
@e0 ah a talentless Texan. Go make some slides.
I do remember the 5% pay cut to please Wall St. They said it was in lieu of layoffs. I never understood that, If the numbers were down then job cuts could have been made.
Overall they did make it up, they gave us stock (in some cases too much) and restored the 5%. (They had to when the year end numbers exceeded their pessimistic predictions. ANd for the next couple of years raises (at least mine) were a little bigger than the past.
Nostalgia of course gets me nothing - so I’d best get back to work.
EMC definitely had its own issues with management but at least they were upfront with expectations. I recently left Dell/EMC (retired) after more than 21 years. I was hired when I was fifty as a TSE for Clariion. I can’t imagine Dell hiring anyone over 35 these days. And even then they would have to be exceptional.
Unless of course it’s for a position in one of the non-revenue-producing areas,
Anyone who was close to the acquisition, there was no merger, EMC was overtaken by Dell...those people (on both sides) know that EMC came to Dell because they were failing miserably and so far under water with R&D and sales that they couldn't survive more than another 2 years. I know the L_EMC folks were sold on " a merger" but that's just not true. Nor was it ever called that, it was always called an acquisition.
EMC didn’t lay people off when they were doing well. Dell doesn’t care about people
Not sure where you were but EMC was awesome. Some of the best managers and the best culture I’ve ever been part of. You had to deliver results. I remember a company that when all other companies were laying people off gave a 5% pay cut to keep everyone employed then gave it back. Bonuses were big, layoffs were rare and diving into technology was endless.
Dell is the exact opposite. Toxic culture, all politics and no focus on technology. Dell is a cheap, cr-ppy company with very little growth opportunity and terrible management.
LOL Dell culture is better. Okay.
yes and yes - both are true
EMC was military driven with clear purpose of generating $ and club of folks that thought they control everything.
in meantime none of the EMC-bully style remained and DELL culture is batter in that respect