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Price to drive an EV more expensive that ICE

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/driving-100-miles-ev-now-000000887.html

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That would be savings on maintenance and gas. I charge at home, off peak hours, at .13kw. Based on gas prices of $4.00/gal that saves me at least $1,600 a year in fuel savings. Not worried about an EV battery replacement at this time. Teslas have been around for more than ten years now and you don’t hear a lot of owners complaining. Batteries don’t just fail one day, they slowly lose their range. As of now, my range is still as good, or even better in the summer, than the original listed range. Plus, the battery warranty is 10/100,000 miles.

Upfront cost was less than $12,000 for a used EV. I could have bought a cheap $12,000 gas engine vehicle instead. That vehicle would have likely been a throwaway car after ten years itself once the engine died.

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Post ID: @4okr+1kSx2fyV

But Why???

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Post ID: @4ddb+1kSx2fyV

@1yjg So you have driven an EV 25000 miles and are saving on maintenance cost? Yes, a gas engine is much more complicated, yet it doesn't cost more than an EV battery. And those components don't require maintenance at 25k miles. You would be a long way from flushing the transmission, or the cooling system. Like I said before - the maintenance you saved was 3 oil changes. How much did you pay upfront for that incredible maintenance savings?

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Post ID: @2cmr+1kSx2fyV

I don't know where 100 mile guy is located.

For Michigan DTE $0.15-0.20 per kwh and 6 month of outdoor temp 20-30F below EPA test setup, you can calculate your electricity cost based on your vehicle sticker kwh/100 mile, typically at around 30 +/-, and temperature effects, to find out how much you pay for the EV electricity.

Not going to show how-to-do here. At the ICE-BEV break even point, gas price is around $2.50-2.75 +/- per gallon for charging at home. If you use L1 charger at home, you loose about additional 10-15% efficiency. This calculation matched my past experiences when I had PHEV. For DCFC, ICE is cheaper, unless you are at CA.

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Post ID: @2zyx+1kSx2fyV

Same 100 mi EV guy. Submitted last post too soon.

To further answer the poster who asked “why?” The average annual miles driven in the US is 12K to 15K. Using 15K, that comes out to only 41 miles per day. So really, why not? A majority of people would be just fine in a 100 mi EV if they use it for daily errands/commutes. It is so easy to charge overnight and just get in and go in the morning. An added plus is the smiles you have every time you pass a gas station. If you drive a ton of miles every day then an EV may not be for you. If you are like the average person, even a 100 mi EV would work well 98% of the time. For those occasions where you need to travel long distance, just rent a car. I think many people just don’t realize how little miles they actually drive in a day.

To the poster who said “What maintenance on an EV is non existent?”. Please reread my first post as I never said non existent. Fact is, an EV is much simpler than a gas engine and simpler translates to lower costs. For example, a gas engine has well over 2,000 parts whereas an EV motor has about 18 parts. The EV transmission is much simpler with no transmission fluid and a single speed. No oil changes, transmission or radiator flushes. My brake pads will probably last 100,000 miles because the regenerative braking does the heavy lifting. Tires will be needed, same as a gas vehicle, but so far with 25,000 miles the tires are still great shape. So I stand by my statement that EV maintenance is practically nothing especially compared to a gas engine. Finally, I am not an out of touch manager on a one year lease but rather a 30+ year Ford employee who left Ford in the last couple of years. I still have a gas vehicle but it is the EV that we use all the time to buzz around town.

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Post ID: @1yjg+1kSx2fyV

I’m that 100 mi EV guy. Just a couple of answers to some posters.

100 mi range is no big deal. Drive it every day to work, to the store, take kids to sports events, etc…. I do not use it to commute across the state. For that purpose it is perfect. Charge overnight at home and it is ready to go again.

Yes, maintenance is significantly cheaper. Brakes last longer if you use the regenerative braking.

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Post ID: @1wjw+1kSx2fyV

Ford is losing money on every EV sold. With Tesla cutting cost Ford will have to follow and will lose even more money. This will cause JF and DF to fire more people and shrink the company more and more. JF, DF and BF master plan to eliminate ICE and only build EVs guaranties Ford will go bankrupt. I bet Tesla, VW or GM are very excited to see Ford build those nice new plant down south. They will be able to buy them on the cheap at the Ford fire sale 2028. BF will not care, he will be in the penthouse of the train station playing the fiddle while Dearborn/Ford burns.

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Post ID: @1iol+1kSx2fyV

Also, when you need a new battery pack in 10 years, you can only go to the dealer and pay $15k to $30k. There will be no functioning used packs in junkyards, since they go bad from just sitting or they will get sold to resellers/rebuilders.

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Post ID: @1uyr+1kSx2fyV

To the guy that drives a 100mile range ev
Why? Lol

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Post ID: @1utj+1kSx2fyV

Lol to the responses. Ignore the science and just respond on pure emotion.

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Post ID: @1cmo+1kSx2fyV

@ibq. Nonsense. What maintenance on an EV is non existent? Oil changes? Big deal. Wearable items like brakes, tires, and suspension components require just as much, if not more maintenance due to the added weight. You must be another one of those out of touch managers on 1 year company leases that have no concept of vehicle maintenance.

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Post ID: @ssb+1kSx2fyV

I don’t believe this article. I have a small EV (range about 100 miles). I have put on well over 15,000 miles and drive it every day. I charge it at home and have not noticed any difference in my electricity bill. If this was a gas vehicle I would have spent about $2,000 in fuel. On top of that, the maintenance on an EV is practically nothing, just some inspections.

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