Department asking SE Michigan employees to RTO. When we ask manager how about colleagues who are out of state during Covid, they said when they moved HR considered they are permanently remote.
I just don't understand the logic. Can we still apply atm? or we SE Michigan employees are doomed for higher logistic cost and energy to be wasted on commute?
@2cyo+1kFqv46O - spot on about clueless managers equating seeing you at your desk with productive work. Some employees do need baby sitting to get any work out of them, but the answer isn't to drag the whole team in when the issue is about those specific people. A decent manager makes sure the slackers have clear goals and are informed that continued non-performance will send them packing, no need to paint the whole team with the same brush.
I'm sure that I'll be less productive in the office than I have been at home, which is not saying that I'll intentionally slack of. Rather it's realising that I don't perform optimally when there are various distractions be they visual, noise, or noticeable smells. Doesn't help that the clear statement from management that policy is more important than productive and not-unhappy employees.
@4bnk+1kFqv46O It's coming. So are you going to quit when it does?
Hey hey, ho ho, just say no to RTO
You can always request Full Time Remote. However, to make the request right after your manager called for some degree of RTO, does not reflect well on you. It sends the message to your manager that you are a pouty baby. Suck it up and come into the office one or two days a week.
@2wbr+1kFqv46O. You had enough time to retire, but you don't get how corporations operate. There have been companies that pay more for years. That is nothing new. Ford wants people locked in. They don't want to compete for people on the basis of salary. If Ford hires tech talent working remotely from Austin, how long before they find another job? There are plenty of companies that pay more, and they don't have to move. Besides, pay isn't the only reason Ford isn't an employer of choice for tech workers. The hi tech that Ford is involved in isn't all that high tech. Many tech graduates at Ford are bored to tears. Ford wants people committed and locked in. They want to have the upper hand. Management believes RTO does that. If employees think they have leverage and don't go along with it, there are now software and data shops all over the world. There are also universities that have ramped up programs.
The companies requiring RTO when the job can be done remotely just fine are being d-mb. They are losing out on talented people who decided during covid that WFH IS PRODUCTIVE, cheaper (no daily driving), less stressful and allows for a more flexible life. Translation: A happy employee is a far more productive employee = more $$$ for the business!
Some "old school" management people just don't get it. They think if they "see" the person at the desk then they are working. Duh, not necessarily! WFH works when properly managed. WFO is not efficient when not managed properly even though people are physically in the building! Having trained and competent management is the key to success, not where the person is sitting!
If you don't RTO, we will move your work to India, Mexico, or Brazil. What kind of sense does that make?
“They're literally doing exactly that. If you got hired during COVID and were allowed to work remotely but were not designated as a 'remote' employee - there is an expectation for you to relocate to Michigan.”
I’m sure they are - but that only shows how clueless and stupid the management at Ford are. Don’t know what skill team you are based with, but when I retired I was with Model E - all the non-Michigan people hired were designated remote, wasn’t even a question. More to the point, they can ask but what are the plans when the people don’t come? Oh, yeah, let’s move that bit of work to India or Mexico.. which is probably what they are hoping for anyway.
You see, you should want to keep jobs in this country no matter what, but are so blind to your own bu-t hurtness about how unfair it is some can work remote why can’t I wha wha you don’t even see what Ford is doing. Just hurry up and ki-l
Ford and this country already instead of keeping it alive.
God, I am so glad I took the lump sum in 2022 when I retired - the people left are literally retarted.
Ford USED to be an employer of choice - no more. Also when Ford could get bright young graduates to come to z Michigan, other high tech companies did not exist that paid more for the same talent. But again it is a moot point anyway because most of the hiring is in India and Mexico anyway - another reason why RTO is a Shame
OP how many days per week are you supposed to RTO? One? Two?
Do you think Ford cares if people hired as remote workers don't want to come in to the office? Ford has always had difficulty convincing people from warmer states to move to Michigan. Yet, they still managed to find staff for all these years. There aren't any good schools in Michigan and other nearby states that can provide skilled graduates? There aren't workers on visas who are willing to work in whatever location they are told?
WFH was instituted for Covid. It is not a permanent thing. Corporations want some leverage over their employees. Packing up and moving a family can be difficult, so companies have a little more control. Do you want to give a key, long term assignment to someone who already has both feet out the door? The government is also an issue. The state of Michigan isn't going to be happy if too many Ford employees are Florida residents. You can bet BF is being presurred to get people back to Dearborn. You are going back to the office.
"have a now 12 year old girl and my wife’s mother is still in Michigan. It was not easy, trust me, but it could have been done by any one of you - and you chose not to move. "
What is your point sir?
You left your girl in Michigan because you enjoy the convenience of remote working or you know at some point you will get the exemption of not coming back if Covid is over?
We were never told moving out of state would cause a difference in the future in the first place. So staying in Michigan now would be considered dump?
If the company indeed think Covid is over, then let's bring normal life back for everyone. Having a half out of state team would certainly create unequal competence and inefficiencies.
"First, to the id--ts that think they are going to ask people hired outside of Michigan during the scamdemic to come to Michigan: how is that going to work exactly?"
They're literally doing exactly that. If you got hired during COVID and were allowed to work remotely but were not designated as a 'remote' employee - there is an expectation for you to relocate to Michigan.
Some teams are pushing back, others are telling folks they need to start planning their moves.
Are you crazy to ask this if H R? If you do, they will set you up to be fired! Just keep head down and mouth shut. If you need to move, get a job at another company!
I retired from Ford last year (no, I did not want to, was forced to more or less), so I don’t have a horse in this race anymore. But I will say two things:
First, to the id--ts that think they are going to ask people hired outside of Michigan during the scamdemic to come to Michigan: how is that going to work exactly? Nearly all of these people are software engineers or other hi tech people - you really think they don’t have other options? Moreover, you think Ford is gonna pay to relocate a 1,000 plus people or more??
Second, life isn’t fair - ask any of the near 5,000 people let go of forced out from Ford how fair life is to them. So quit your belly aching about people working remote in other states. Many of you had your chance for nearly two years to make a move and you didn’t. I did way back in 2020 and never looked back, have a now 12 year old girl and my wife’s mother is still in Michigan. It was not easy, trust me, but it could have been done by any one of you - and you chose not to move. Like nearly anything in life, you need to look in the mirror before complaining about things, because we all have choices in life.
Agree that it’s unfair. 30% of my team work remote. It’s all BS but that will never change.
Manager here. I know for a fact remote hires were told that they may be required to move to SE Michigan at some point. I was there for those discussions. They happened.
Please dont call them people leaders
They are not
There are no leaders at ford
Rto and just do the bare minimum and move on to a better job.
Jobs are still plenty
How did you survive the commute before COVID?
Are the same clown who asked Kumar if Ford will reimburse for the increase in home electric costs caused by WFH?
Discuss it with your immediate People Leader, who will then probably need to run it up the chain some to get buy in or informed to not approve it. When it was first introduced as an option it required LL4 approval, but later was moved down to LL6 level. I'm sure the LL4 would still need to give an informal thumbs-up, which is much less likely now than just several months ago. I wouldn't expect anyone in SE Mich getting approved now without extenuating circumstances.
If a team has 40% of employees out of state? What is the point of RTO? Just find a seat and shut up doing work?