Anyone else find it funny that they are using the excuse of making faster decisions to justify the layoffs? To the people at the top, the time it takes to make decisions isn’t the problem, ITS THE DECISIONS THAT YOU ARE MAKING THAT IS THE PROBLEM!! Dei, pride, every decision they make has been wrong! But they get to stay and we get to suffer lol.
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@an absolutely zero communication and therefore zero alignment between leaders
@a2
I jumped ship because I saw the writing on the wall a few months ago. It was the right decision. It was scary, but I don’t regret it.
@b6 engagement starts top down. I learned that my first week of management on the way to understanding what leadership was. Then boss made a point of telling me to leave my office more. Lucky I had that guy as my mentor.
@OP both are the problem. Too many layers and too many leaders. It’s the same thing as the other big layoff over 10 years ago. Plus too many bad decisions. They need to stay out of politics. BC was CEO 3 years too long.
@ad does your director (boss) know you’d like more face time sr dir or the vp? Probably easy to accommodate if it’s made clear…. Just a thought….
@an do not get me started on L7 principal engineers wow what an absolutely useless bunch every team
we have one in the larger group who can't string a sentence together and vibe codes ai bullsh-t 24/7
If you want less overlapping jobs, avoid two CEOs for 5 months.
Why are we paying BC right now as a CEO if MF is doing the CEO job? That will save a sh*t ton and avoid overlapping. BC is also just doing a job, stop bending over backwards to appease his ego, you don’t have to give him a promotion!
And agree L7, L8, L9, L10 don’t talk to their peers and don’t get along, how do you expect us L6s to change the culture? Our leaders did cr-p hiring and overlapping, how can you trust their judgement?
@a2 I second all of this.
@ae I'll stop here but Jimbo is my vp that should help narrow down
@ad This is crazy - I literally could have written this post myself. The idea that managers don't feel like it is necessary to connect with members of their broader team is just insane to me. I feel like managers in Target are only interested in getting to the next level and have no interest in the people they manage.
Even the surveys they send out are a joke. I am brutally honest in those surveys about all of these problems, half expecting someone to reach out, but they couldn't care less.
I have spoke to my boss' (director) boss (sr director) twice in four years which includes meetings. Both times shorter exchanges than what I'm typing here
I have never spoken to my sr director's peers or my vp
last company orders of magnitude larger than target in same relative impactful IC role same sort of team I spoke with both those people very often. They knew my team's work well and my role and results
as an IC (tech infrastructure) sh-t stops at my boss and I have hardly an idea of what exists beyond them
also none of these individuals would make it past the interview screen at a real household name technology company and that's one of tech biggest problems here
so helpless and angry
speed of decisions is one thing. Fail to mention quality of decisions that have also gotten us here.
@aa holy sneikes i would have posted that same experience. Wish I knew what group and team you were bet we know each other
@a2 110% on everything you said.
Tech here as well and exactly the same take about larger projects. So many ICs I know like myself see opportunities to solve real problems but can't get traction while every bullsh-t low-to-no value AI d-mb thing is je-ked off about to death.
The particular problem my team wants to solve so does another but instead of collaborating on a shared vision we're competing. Not because we want to but because there's no leadership that can arbitrate and lead us.
I will probably end up canned due to being (hired) remote and high end of L6 pay band.
Either way I'm gone. If I'm spared I'll put on the best fake smile but what passion I had for trying is dead.
Dipsh-ts.
@a2 same i’ve wanted out for a bit, still need a job but im pretty tired of making excuses for this company
My personal experience working at Target (tech) is that there are many many small groups all struggling to work together with a lack of coordination and oversite. It is almost impossible to get any larger projects off the ground because there are so many middle managers all with competing priorities and roadmaps.
I also think there is truly weak management from top to bottom. This is not going to be an easy problem to solve. They might have been better off getting an external CEO to properly clean house.
In a way, this layoff could be what Target needs if done right, but I feel sorry for the individuals impacted, and it is also really bad for worker morale in general. I also agree with others here that the rollout so far has been less than optimal.
I was thinking about jumping ship even before these layoffs were announced. I think this is going to accelerate my plans one way or another.