He is fairly new (no more than 4 months at his position) and instead of coaching his employees, he often criticizes their intelligence. It can be humiliating at times for my coworkers. Should I report it to HR or speak to my supervisor directly? I don't want stir up trouble and I don't want there to be backlash on my end.
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@1qd move to another dept or company. You won’t win this one and your life will be miserable until your boss leaves
For years, I've witnessed and been the target of abuse from my leader. There have been reports to HR and subsequent investigations. Humana HR is there to protect Humana -- nothing more.
@1em To the person that called this “rat” out management. It is not ratting out if you are defending yourself by reporting the facts about an unethical and abusive “leader.”
@1mq definitely don’t take this advice!
I had a Manager suggest the same thing to me when I had confided in her about a Director and Associate Director abusing me.
I took her advice, called the Ethics Line. First, they spoke horrendous english. I could hardly understand them and they could hardly understand me.
So, finally they opened a ticket. Some number of days later, someone from Human Resources scheduled a either a Zoom call or Ms Teams call (I do not recall).
I explained everything to the HR person, who then proceeded to take the side of leadership and laid into me, undeservedly, I might add. And she was extremely rude. I asked her to escalate the issue ticket. But tje next scheduled meeting, I realized with counsel from others that all of HR are simply always going to side with management.
To make it short, Ethics line can only take a ticket, which then gets routed to Humana HR, which then takes Humana Management’s side.
Which is why you really need to seek outside Humana legal counsel…an Employment Lawyer. Seriously.
Call the ethics hotline. It’s anonymous, and they take those kinds of complaints seriously. They’ll investigate.
@1ej
That’s true everywhere. Peons think they can rat on management and senior management will support them.
@OP nothing because nothing will be done. I know a Director who has had 13 employees complain and leave under her in the last two years and they still sing her praises. Don’t waste your time.
Don’t trust any managers and do not trust HR. Get an attorney. Follow the legal advice provided and lay low until you have what you need to hang them. The more a company claims to be employee centric the worse they are. All the managers are playing the same game. All backstabbing and dishonest to the point that I wonder if they come to Humana because no one else will hire them. All while pretending to be your best friend. It gets worse as it goes up the line. Trust none.
@OP Have the person being abused by their leader contact and employment lawyer.
Ignore the couple of critical posts about such advice. That person is most likely a sell out Associate Director or Director that is overpaid and lives in a fancy house in a very expensive subdivision. They do not care about the employees that do the work.
@16a An employment lawyer can help out more than just illegal activity.
They can assist on how best to handle and what type of documentation is necessary for an employee to get in advance if shown the door by a boss “leader” that may have consistently abused the employee with their so called “power.”
To the person that asked initially, the OP, do not believe HR4U nor anyone in Human Resources will help you. They are their to protect Humana from lawsuits and will always, and I do mean ALWAYS, side with your “leader.” Do not trust them, nor trust confiding in another leader. They will snitch on you to your leader, for confiding in them. All the while pretending to be sympathetic to your complaints. It’s an act; do not trust them!
@16a This advice was not from someone named Karen. My name is Consuelo.
@y8 contacting a lawyer is useless since the OP has no standing to bring a case.
Even if a crime was committed or something illegal is taking place, the people impacted would have to agree for anything to be done.
Karen needs to mind her own business.
@OP First contact an employment lawyer and get advice on how best to proceed. Oftentimes the first is at no charge. They will know whom is best to talk to and perhaps not even HR at Humana. Do not confide with any Humana management nor even any coworkers. Speak with an employment lawyer (outside Humana) first. Employment Lawyer is a specific type of lawyer that deals with this specific type of issues.
@y5 my name is not Karen nor Ken.
Just telling you that so you do not wrongly accuse wrong persons.
Also, just stop being, well, the way you are being. I think you are making presumptions. Humana has a lot of employees. And many feel the same. So stop presuming you may know whom is saying what. Because most likely you do not.
@t0
I think you missed the point he was making. He is saying your career there is over if you complain to management about management.
You don’t have a stake in this and you are sounding like you are a tattletale/Karen/Ken.
The idea you are some kind of savior for adults is ridiculous. Adults can and so handle their situations all the time.
@sx I am totally fine with being…
“… bad mouthed in meetings and you will be marked as a troublemaker.”
I don’t scare easily. Bring it!
@am
Plan an escape for yourself. I can tell you as someone who served in management positions at many companies, you won’t survive this.
Sure, the manager would get a lecture, but he will survive and you will never get a recommendation from him again. More likely, you will be bad mouthed in meetings and you will be marked as a troublemaker.
I have never seen this worked out any other way.
@OP Yes, report it. Once a supervisor, manager, associate director, director gets a taste of behaving and successfully getting away with unethical behavior, it gets in their heads and heart and continues to grow like a metastatic cancer, unless something or someone puts it in check.
Bad leaders smell fear “in the water” like a shark smells fresh chum. They cannot help themselves, they simply must, feel the need to, act corruptly.
Not sure why that is the case other than, when left to our own devices, in our hearts we have the potential for such. Only grace can keep a person humble and kind. We all could use more grace and humility, for sure.
@OP Report it, and try to encourage your colleague to report it, as well. My mistake is that I never reported what was done to me (the exact same thing you are describing), and I let the disrespect infect the rest of my department to where everyone disrespected me. Don't let it get there, and kudos to you for trying to protect your co-worker. More people like you need to exist in He-l-mana!
Call HR. Absolutely unacceptable for a leader to do this!
100% i would report it. If there is any backlash that is called retaliation and it is a great case for a lawsuit. It won't stop on it's own.