does this mean i can't get another job at a company that is looking for a dba?

i understand stuff like code or stuff not published. but how about working for a ct with a
support contract that my name would be on?

Your employment with Oracle created obligations on your behalf with respect to certain
confidential, proprietary and trade secret information belonging to Oracle (“Proprietary
Information”) as reflected in the Proprietary Information Agreement (“PIA”) that you signed as
a condition of joining Oracle.
• By signing the PIA, you promised not to use Proprietary Information for any
purpose following your Oracle employment.
• You acknowledge that by signing the PIA, you are prohibited from recruiting Oracle
employees for employment with any employer other than Oracle for a specified
period of time following the termination of your Oracle employment. The
foregoing contractual prohibition will not apply to you if you reside or work in
California or any other jurisdiction that prohibits such a term; however you
understand that this exclusion from the scope of the contractual obligation in this
paragraph does not authorize conduct that is a misappropriation of Proprietary
Information, unfair competition or other wrongful act.
• You acknowledge that, if you signed the PIA on or after June 1, 1996, you are
expressly prohibited, for a specified period of time following the termination of your
employment, for your own account or for the account of any other person or entity,
from soliciting, calling on or providing services similar to those which you provided
to customers or clients of Oracle during your employment, for any of Oracle's
customers or clients or prospective customers or clients if you solicited, called on or
performed services for that Oracle customer or client or prospective customer or
client for a specified period of time preceding your termination. The foregoing
contractual prohibition will not apply to you if you reside or work in California or any
other jurisdiction that prohibits such a term; however you understand that this
exclusion from the scope of the contractual obligation in this paragraph does not
authorize conduct that is a misappropriation of Proprietary Information, unfair
competition or other wrongful act.

Thank you

#NonCompete #Policy #EmploymentAttorney

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@n3 i had to go there to get my mother in laws documentation handed in. it was the
"Huddled Masses". then one guy in the back yells out "FIGURE IT OUT, PEOPLE!", now that was funny!

@p6 right, like starting your own support business and get customers to come over.

I'm not a laywer, and this is not legal advice..... but ... I just re-read this....

"You acknowledge that, if you signed the PIA on or after June 1, 1996, you are
expressly prohibited, for a specified period of time following the termination of your
employment, for your own account or for the account of any other person or entity,
from soliciting, calling on or providing services similar to those which you provided
to customers or clients of Oracle during your employment, for any of Oracle's
customers or clients or prospective customers or clients if you solicited, called on or
performed services for that Oracle customer or client or prospective customer or
client for a specified period of time preceding your termination."

Note: 'for your own account or for the account of any other person or entity,' could be related to the preceding termination... in which case, it would only cover your quitting or starting another job which resulted in your termination... it... not when you were terminated on account of Oracle..... but who knows...

More importantly....
"... if you solicited, called on or performed services for that Oracle customer or client or prospective customer or client for a specified period of time preceding your termination."

So, this would only limit to those that you were working with for a specific period of time preceding your termination...... so hardly limiting if in a broad sense, mostly focused on keeping companies from replacing Oracle with you.

@gs Make sure you tell/ask when you're applying for unemployment. That should be fun.

duh, i am sorry for wasting your time. in my state, if u make lower than 112k (and I make much lower, way lower) so it is not binding.
thank u all for your responses.

@av and my info is in the oracle viewable manuals and tech articles. :) Other than Support sux, nothing secret or inside trading info. i think with all the cuts customers know it sux!

@br thank you. technically i was not a DBA at oracle, just a RDBMS support hack. So on paper, not the same job.
i would think other people layed off would be doing other jobs, i don't think Oracle has the time to track everything and run each one through legal.

@bv no doubt! they will fight for every penny, even if its on the bathroom store of a grimy bus station!!!!

@c4 yup. they never cared. but I will ask HR. that should be fun. :) but ignoring it is probably fine too. Its not like i am starting my own support company and stealing customers! they would not like that. :)

@gh You know what? you are right! i am a nobody...well most of us are.

and thank all of you for your help on this. I have my original form i signed 31 (cough) years ago. sad eh?

If you post to thelayoff.com, you're not important enough for the company to sue.

Ignore it. It's not enforceable "indenture servitude" contract.

With all the corporate BS going on I'd ignore it completely and look out for yourself and your own family. Take a page from their book and look out for your own interests. Just stay quiet about it and do the job.

LE has you trapped. Prepare your b*tt cheeks.

I would ignore this. It would be pretty sh---y of them to stop you from getting DBA work after they laid you off. Clearly it will not be hurting them since they did not need you anyway?

In addition, I think it is meant for other types of work where the information/intel a person has might give a very huge benefit to a direct competitor providing the exact same.

It does seems that this is enforceable in some states based on what I read above though, but at least here they would not

Just ignore it.

I remember signing that. IIRC, the prohibition is for five years after leaving Oracle, but don't quote me on that.

Best thing for you to do is write to HR and ask them. They would have the real scoop.

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