I'm not in ISG and apprently it doesn't stand for "Inside sales group" lol... But it seems like ISG is almost always hit with an iron fist EVERY layoff. Is it just so over saturated and over hired for? It feels like at this point, there shouldn't be an ISG department left anymore...
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Not only him but a lot of people at the top and the've done it at the same time, around 4 billions bucks. This means 2 things:
Executives are not confident with the future of their company
High probability of an incoming investigation with insider trading
@ch They aren't at all. ISG/CSG/Sales are regularly obliterated every layoff round - which is basically quarterly at this point. I'm sure marketing, HR, PR, and others are hit as well but maybe it's just because I'm in an org that is mostly "forgotten" lol. SRO has had a handful of layoffs over the last few years but I can count on one hand the people who were WFR. At least that I know of..
@ed The rats usually are the first to jump ship, so this checks out.
@cd MD sold over one billion in stock this year alone.
Old timer here. My take
EMC made great leading edge products with high margins. They spent some of that $margin on layers of management, promotions, and redundancy.
Dell at its core is not an IP company. So old school Dell operators looked at EMCs org structure and said "wtf?" And then the cutting started. The core operating values of the 2 firms don't match. Dell values took over and ISG gets the axe.
because ISG managers have no clue.
@ch Because ISG is experiencing growth while CSG is not. Also most if not everyone in ISG recognizes that the cuts made for short term gains are setting us up for long term decline or possibly failure.
ALL departments are getting whacked right now, not just ISG. I don't know why ISG is feeling special
Cut opex, cut opex, cut opex. But never, ever consider even a minor cut here:
https://www.salary.com/tools/executive-compensation-calculator/dell-technologies-inc-executive-salaries?year=2025
Michael S. Dell
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
$3,092,256
Jeffrey W. Clarke
Chief Operating Officer and Vice Chairman
$25,102,282
William F. Scannell
President, Global Sales and Customer Operations
$13,097,702
Richard J. Rothberg
General Counsel
$11,445,419
Yvonne McGill
Chief Financial Officer
$7,196,599
How dare it be suggested that a few of these could scrape by with a little bit less?
It always will be the Standard response
“I’m sure you know that while we aren’t going to get into specifics, we are always assessing our business to remain competitive and ensure we are set up to deliver the best innovation, value and service to our customers and partners.”
I'm not so sure that is true. India folks have been getting cut also. I could see if it were just US folks, but in ISG, we have seen the India teams get whacked also.
Here’s why in all seriousness. Because we have US people who make a good amount of money. This isn’t a numbers game, it’s a cost game. Every quarter you are given a target. You are told to focus on the highest paid targets with the promise you’ll get more reqs in India. This applies to any REST cost area. What they end up doing anyway is by the time your WFR time period happens you get hit with another cost out. First thing you do is cut open reqs. Then the cycle continues.
This is a major strategy that is driving up the stock. Cut your opex cost. Increases your profit with minor revenue incremental gain. Shorted sighted BS strategy but will work for about 2-3 years.
Then they have to make a real decision.
Some real ignorant and mo--nic posts here. Dell puts computer parts together. Its operations and manufacturing. Anyone that was driving technological products has been either laid off or left.
There is zero product technology advancement. Now that it’s been “Dellified” you’ve got id10ts who have no idea how to run a technology company. Let’s look at our all -star team, shall we?
Running ISG you’ve got a lawyer (no need to continue) now in CSG you’ve got a t-shirt wearing manufacturing and operations guy, running IT you’ve got a “has been” customer support guy who is a sociopathic megalomaniac and at the head of it all the con-man MD who doesn’t care about anyone but himself and could spell technology. He does tell a great story though.
That’s where we are. Their only goal, drive up the stock, su-k as much money out of it as possible, tell a great story and either sell off the business or dump it entirely.
There is no future here. Su-k it dry, make as much money as you can, take as many classes as you can and then jump ship.
so for storage systems, management feels that if automation is in place, they need less developers. The need a few for the four yearly release and automation will do all the testing. What they fail to realize, is that alot of the teams don't have automation in place and they're getting rid of developers and now making the hole much deeper. Four releases a year that all need full QE testing. This takes people away from doing actual development. What they need to do is catch up on the automation testing. Management feels that AI should help with all that. Probably so, but the developers don't have time to train in AI because of all the other work they have to catch up on for the release. THere is no actual training in Dell for AI, you will have to invest in it yourself. It is a vicious cycle that nobody seems to be winning, especially the customer. That is what is ki-ling ISG at the moment. Management, which is India of course, just doesn't see it.
If PowerFlex is anything to go by, they should get rid of the whole dev team, what a painful product to support...
@av isg is doing storage products as well.. lots of dinosaurs in US there. They are so obsolete so they are being cut. It's sad but good folks most likely left already.
Because it doesn’t take that many engineers to build boxes and slap an AI label on them. And Dell/EMC is sh-t at building software and our higher ups have finally admitted it.
Because all or almost all the EMC higher ups worth their weight in sh-t were either railroaded or left on their own. The Dell higher ups have no idea how to properly run what was once a great company, so it is now crumbling. Everyone left has neither the skill or the desire to right the ship.
Honestly being inside ISG right now is just really disheartening. We lose engineers EVERY ROUND. Soon there won't be people left to even make the most basic servers. We're struggling hardcore because we have NO RESOURCES for the insane amount of projects the higher ups keep signing us up for.
We're at the boiling point I think where sh-t is about to fall apart.
@a2 when it was EMC they made products people wanted. When Dull took over R&D went to he-l (Austin) and there has been nothing new worth anything to sell so outsource to useless Indians and save money.
Not going to sell products anyway, What EMC made and sold was leading edge not commodity like Dull prefers to be.
Because they continue to find ways to offshore engineering jobs to cheaper labor markets so that Jeff can buy more t-shirts and Mike can keep trying to fit into the tech bro oligarchy.
Redundancy. EMC was the king of having 6 people doing the same job but giving them different titles and having 6 handoffs for a simple 2 step process that takes .5 of a person to accomplish.