@84p I would have accepted a low ball offer. US citizen here. I am a former Nokia employee laid off during COVID. I have active Nokia certifications in routing and optical. I applied to a dozen jobs this year and for the two that interviewed me was told both I am under qualified and over qualified for very similar roles. They interviewed me but it was clear the hiring managers were making attempts to find something that would make me not a good fit. When I was let go my whole team was impacted, I was not selected out for layoff. I had a stellar Nokia experience but getting back into the company in this H1B climate is difficult.
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https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1k0dz0x9e
Data on How America Sold Out its Computer Science Graduates
The Promise That Became a Lie
KEVIN LYNN
JUL 17, 2025
Nokia is transferring those H1Bs that they laid off on June 5th to other groups. Hopefully, the new CEO will stop this practice. The CEO should look at the directors and managers who have hired H1Bs throughout their career at Nokia. There is some deep unethical stuff going on in NAM. And don't ask Nokia Ethics team or HR to do the investigation, cause they are all protecting each other.
What I don't understand is, for 1 Nokia job opening, if there are, let's say, 75 resumes submitted by applicants, then why is the job given to a work visa person (H1B, O1, L1, etc). Out of the 75 resumes, Nokia managers couldn't find one qualified US Citizen for the job? And even if the argument is that Nokia salaries are low, you can't tell me that "all" US Citizens who were offered the job declined. Jobs are difficult to come by these days for recent graduates, so that argument doesn't hold.
Nokia has laid off thousands of people throughout the years (since it can be proven by the empty building that have been sold recently) but never on the WARN notice. Question: Is it less likely for a company to get h1b application approval if they are on the WARN notice list?
Answer:
Employer-Specific:
H-1B approvals are employer-specific. If a company is experiencing significant layoffs (like those that trigger a WARN notice), it may raise concerns about its financial stability and ability to employ H-1B workers long-term.
Increased Scrutiny:
USCIS may scrutinize H-1B petitions from companies that have issued WARN notices more closely, potentially leading to requests for additional documentation or even denials.
Financial Viability:
USCIS may question whether the company can afford to pay the prevailing wage and meet other obligations to H-1B workers if they are experiencing financial difficulties.
@6bs only in Europe. US still unknown
Nokia transferring 400 CNS (cloud network solutions) folks from different countries to Capgemini. Better than getting laid-off and having to look for another job right away.
Nokia is hostile to U.S. employee. You can argue all you want about different country laws and protection diffrences Nokia claims people are first except for when they can game that system due to country laws. They could provide a common experience across countries but they don't. Managers are not held to a higher standard here and get away with bad behaviors. The tone is set from the top down and you are reading on this site what that tone looks like.
@5f2 the thing is because of the pathetic salary and benefits at nokia I don't think any american kids would like to join such a company. If you ask them about nokia in colleges there would be a whole bunch of them surprised that nokia is still in business. Only foreignen workers are willing to apply nokia now. American kids will choose nokia only when the market is extraordinarily bad like a world war is taking place or so.
@59e I have an idea! Instead of asking for specific names, why not ask the company to stop practicing nepotism and practice being fair.
@54w Please share those examples with exact names.
@4z7 Jobs have been posted for months and years, and don't get filled. Only when an h1b visa holder gets laid-off, all of a sudden that job gets filled, or another new posting for a job is created with an already known (h1b) candidate that will fill that position. Nokia NAM for many years have made this practice a Nokia internal "law". I can give you "easily" many examples of people who were on h1b visa that were transferred to another totally different job within the same organization or a completely different organization without any skills that were specifically needed by that organization.
@4xd That's because they are mostly the buddies of that one sitting in the private office room. Simply nepotism.
If you were recently laid off and are on h1b visa (or other type of visa), DO NOT WORRY. Nokia will offer you another job within the company. They have always favored offering jobs to TEMPORARY visa holders. Just look around you. Every other employee is a visa holder.
@3w1 true.
@2a4 yes heard few people were let go.
@3gk having a US degree or not does not matter for the job u do.
@2be They also imported maybe hundreds of people without any US degrees from India.
They still have quite a few folks in their late 60's (who are eligible for medicare) and 70's that are hanging around since they don't want to retire, and managers and directors are protecting them. Instead, that money could be used to hire folks that will actually make the company grow.
https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=nokia&job=&city=&year=2024
Look at those $200K salaries paid to H1B visa employees who are doing the same job as you and I. Ridiculous!
Let's see if Justin does anything to correct this or is he going to be another absent CEO just to collect his $25 Million and get some on the job training for his next job.
June 5th was layoff day for North America region: USA and Canada.
Done? Never done!
"Hotard addressed the acquisition of Infinera, emphasizing its potential to deliver €200 million in synergies and enhance Nokia's presence in the hyperscale and AI data center markets."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/nokia-anticipates-strong-network-infrastructure-growth-with-infinera-synergies-and-1b-data-center-expansion-by-2028/ar-AA1DxmD4
Nokia bought Infinera for $2.3 Billion.
"A horizontal merger occurs when companies operating in the same or similar industry combine together. The purpose of a horizontal merger is to more efficiently utilize economies of scale, increase market power, and exploit cost-based and revenue-based synergies."
"A potential downside of horizontal mergers is the impact on employees. Merging two companies often leads to consolidation and elimination of redundant positions, resulting in layoffs. This can be particularly significant in industries where mergers reduce operational locations or centralize certain functions."