Other banks have gone full RTO, 5 days a week with no exception. Goldman Sachs, wells Fargo, bank of America and even Chase. Usb is just following the trend and doing what's expected from a serious financial institution. Yes, it really su-ks having to go into the office, but it is what it is. If you have medical needs or a disability then an exception can be made via HR. But come on dudes, branch employees have no idea what WFH even is and they make a fraction of most of the people here.
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"With all due respect"
If you respect us then don't post such drivel.
I was hired remote. I got the best performance reviews, several years straight.
I “can’t’” be promoted.
If they think I’m staying for long…
Just because the other banks are doing it… just because everyone is jumping off a bridge…
@dm+1jtny7v1a The bank already tracks badge swipes for buildings where you have to use your badge to get in. A monthly report goes to your EVP. Some apparently don't care, but some do and people who aren't complying get reprimanded and asked to explain why they aren't complying.
This is exactly it. I'm not going in for the pleasure of hearing people incapable of volume control talking about HEY DID YOU SEE THE CAVS GAME THE OTHER DAY?!?!?!?! THEY REALLY PLAYED THE GAME!!!! or even to do my work better. The equipment in the office is like a decade behind what I have in my home office. The smell of the office is regularly putrid because the toilet pipes keep backing up. Nobody I work with is in the office. Going into the office is an active detriment, talking about how everyone else is doing it doesn't change that fact.
This is exactly it. We're going in because we don't want to get fired. We're not going in because it's some jovial amazing experience.
I want to sit in my house in silence and not have to constantly mute and unmute myself because the background noise is so bad that nobody in my calls can focus on what I'm saying. But yea. Go into the office because pRoDucTiViTy
They may not send back 5 days a week because of space but you bet they're planning on adding badge swipes in and out time stamps in the near future for an added level of micromanaging and misery.
Going back to 5 days won't be able to happen without one of three things: Redesigning the space for smaller desks, laying off 2 out of every 5 people, getting more real estate space. (Or some combination of those)
Right now our space could not come close to fitting everyone, so I'll be "watching the math" to brace for a transition back.
Nobody is going into the office three days a week because we're under the delusion that it will earn us a bag of money next year. We're going into office three days a week because if we don't we'll be fired. "lol"
Wells Fargo and Bank of America are not five days for in office roles. FYI.
I would have been fine going to the office that I worked out of originally but not these hubs in large cities. Reopen offices in the suburbs Gunjan and then we will talk. No one sane wants to commute to the city. Also it’s not nonsense to want to have work life balance and competitive wages. If you think that’s selfish then you’re just a bi--h.
And for the people who aren’t coming in 3x a week, I think they’re going to get a rude awakening when merit and bonus decisions are made at the end of the year.
As if they were actually planning on giving out decent merit and bonuses. lol Even if you meet the RTO goal, they’ll just find a way to move the goal post even further,
To be clear, WFC is still hybrid work. Not 5 days a week in office.
Same thing here. I was hired remote 15 years ago. I worked very hard, did a lot of research to specifically find a remote position and to have the right qualifications for it. I turned down other higher paid offers because I specifically wanted a remote job. RTO should not have impacted my location. I have no one in my team or dept at my hub. Not a single person I ever work with. I've been proud of my communication and collaboration skills and work highly and effectively being remote. This upends my entire life for no valid reason!!
The most common sense approach would have been for the Bank to go back to pre COVID days and determine the location of a position based on its requirements and the geographical locations of the team. If everyone is spread out in different states, it makes no sense!
They did us dirty 100%
Thank you. People that don't want to engage on why people don't want to go back in because they simply can't relate to why someone doesn't want to go back, or the fact that the bank did a bait and switch for everyone (myself included) with remote work. Sh-t even before COVID my position was hybrid but it was a loose expectation of 2-3 days a week. Then I intentionally applied into a remote role because my life was just so much better that way.
Telling people to su-k it up or leave is the exact opposite of how she should be seeing this. The opportunity she has here is immense as far as talent possibilities, but she's just too busy confusing being a bi--h with being a leader at present. I hope she figures it out, because if she isn't successful our jobs are even more in jeopardy.
Can i say that USB has completely botched the RTO strategy. Covid hit and we were all told to WFH. USB was obviously going to make us come in at some point. They released that everyone was to work "moments that mattered" days and we would be told that we were to come into the office on designated "moments that matter" days. Then the rug was pulled and it was RTO 3 days a week. Since that announcement it has always been such a gray area. There's been the 30 mile designations and the hub cities, the tracking software. Are PTO days and holidays counted in that 3 a day span. Now its 11 days a month and you are good. WHAT IS THE REAL ANSWER! its just a guessing game and they really want us in office 5 days a week. They are only trying this for soft layoffs.
Absolutely best post on here. You're exactly right. It wouldn't have been an issue whatsoever if new positions were opening up in relevant hubs, or if certain future pay decisions got tied to location (it's always been that way anyway.)
They could have used carrots and slow but steady change where it made sense to achieve desired results. But instead of "doing the right thing" they choose to swing just the stick and to flex their power to the limit and change the last 20 years of company culture overnight.
I personally have been THE BIGGEST and most vocal supporter of the bank for over 10 years. Many many people have joined us based on my talking us up to them. But my moral is now completely shot because of how I've been treated. Like you, my situation is still decent enough and I'm making it work, but my trust in them making rational and ethical decisions is completely gone, and while I thought I'd retire here I've started sending out resumes and interviewing elsewhere to see what I can find.
Here's the part people that are defending RTO aren't getting:
- Many people were hired as 100% remote employees. When you apply for a job as remote, you take compensation into consideration as your expenses will be less. However, forcing those that were hired as 100% remote to now go into the office includes additional expenses, and breaks the agreement that was made with that employee. It's essentially a pay cut.
- Those that are 100% remote and do not live near a hub are not eligible any longer for promotions or to change jobs. Again, they were hired for a 100% remote position without the restrictions of "you'll never be promoted". This is unethical and wrong.
That is two different groups of employees that really got the shaft.
I really hope you're right here. But I am not hopeful. Pre-covid for me was hybrid but it wasn't a hard 3 days a week tied to my performance.
She already said we are back to pre-COVID levels for people in office. I don’t see us going back 5 days a week. That’s back to normal. WF is not 5 days for everyone, Citi….etc. I think she’s saying she won’t be backing off RTO. I dont agree with her but that’s how I read it
I think the people who were hired remote and then ordered in 3x a week got done dirty by the company.
For everyone else, this is still way better than before Covid. I don’t always love coming, especially on the days when I have a bunch of Teams calls. But I’d rather come in 3x than 5x.
And for the people who aren’t coming in 3x a week, I think they’re going to get a rude awakening when merit and bonus decisions are made at the end of the year.
The issue with RTO is a lack of consideration for how people are spread out and where it makes sense for people to go into the office.
I am alone in the office. I sit on teams calls all day like I did at home. The only collaboration I have is chatting with people around me. I get no benefits from being in an office. However. Right now with 3 days a week and then being flexible, it's working for me so I'm not going to be screaming. This does not mean that that I don't understand why people are fighting it still. Spending two hours commuting isn't good for productivity, plain and simple. It just isn't. And it shouldn't have to be the reality people are facing. Her saying 'nonsense' and laughing about it is beyond tone deaf and laughs at the real struggles the people who keep her company going face as a result of the policies.
Moral IS low. It is low because of layoffs, RTO, and many other things depending on your role and management structure. To laugh it off and say it isn't, is not good leadership. She should have paused and taken a moment and not just dismissed. That was atrocious, and showcased that she's not a leader that leads thoughtfully. She doesn't respect her employees at all. She just doesn't.
RTO was the beginning of time deaf policies and them going back on the promises that they made to employees. It broke foundational trust and now people are rightfully pi---d. If USB was smart they could attract top talent that took a bit of a pay cut to work a more flexible schedule like is currently in place. But nah they'll decide to keep up with the Joneses and force everyone back 5 days a week and then wonder why nobody bothers to fill out surveys. The beatings will continue until morale improves I suppose. Or the market gets better and all the good talent leaves for places that have better work policies and then all their sh-t breaks because they don't have anyone with skill sets and knowledge left.
If you replay the call, you'll read between the lines that 5 days is coming and if you aren't in a hub, you are SOL
What intelligent people are arguing for isn't to go full remote, but to return to the pre-covid policy of using remote when it made sense and not using it when it didn't. One-size fits all solutions are inherently unoptimized for different teams, work, situations, etc.
Return to office should have meant return to pre-covid policy, not up-end the whole cart and change the rules and hiring conditions for everyone.
Wow industry standard means five of the largest FI’s, got it? And no, it still is not industry standard for non customer facing employees to be in an office. That’s just d-mb fu-k talk from T-Mobile and car sales reps that got promoted for nodding their heads, or more like failures from BOA, Chase, Wells, did you have other examples for that industry standard…those places.
She should visit the Ethics section of our Intranet site…
Someone close to source said new CEO will be demanding 5 days in office, very soon.
1 and a half year ago, this person running WCIB said she did not see any reason for 5 days and 3 days was perfect.
Now she will be demanding 5 days, with her full support that you quit and find a friend or a life because to her, we are all greedy low caste people in society that should feel lucky to breath her air
It just goes to show how out of touch you are with the reason people are upset in the first place about RTO.
Get up, go to the office where you’re the only one on your team, sit down at the space you had to reserve, clean it because it never gets cleaned, log in and start zoom calls all day with people who are in other offices. Rinse and repeat.
There are some positions where it makes sense, there are some where it does not.
It’s not just going back to the office 3 vs 5 days.
I don’t like that I was hired remote, and someone else decided what was “reasonable”. I could have taken a job that offered more but was hybrid, but I chose to take the fully remote one here. Can’t trust a single thing the company says anymore.