Starting next year, Cigna plans to remove our 56 hour PTO rollover to only allow us to carry over 24 hours. Also not going to pay out any PTO if we’re fired or quit. Thanks for removing another freedom! Can it get any worse??
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Before the Cigna ESI merge, if rollover time was even available, no one in any of the areas I worked in (claim, IT Bloomfield) knew about it. It was use it or lose it.
Wrong. The changes apply to band 5 and below. It clearly says that in the email.
Band 6+ will now have unlimited PTO time. But they already got a lot of PTO so it probably won’t really even affect them. This also means band 6+ can’t be paid for unused PTO time if they are laid off either.
“Unbelievable just saw the email. Band 5 and above doesn't get sc--wed but we do? The people who actually do the work???! Most band 5 doesn't work the extra hours or do the "grunt" work.”
in CA, didn't get this email, i think the rollover laws are different here tho. i wonder about the payout stuff, thats absolute bullsh-t
How do you feel now?
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It's not a "one-size-fits-all reduction". Remember no one above Band 5 is seeing any changes. Important to note. I guess those folks don't need to "take time away from work to recharge their batteries, take care during illnesses, spend time with family, and enjoy hobbies."
These folks also seem able to cash out on those PTO balance if they depart.
Remember this. These changes are so employee-focused and beneficial that the bigwigs graciously omitted themselves so we can experience all the greatness!
It went out this morning to U.S. exempt employees bands 5 and below.
Where is this alleged email? I haven’t received one yet
If they want to reduce a liability by making things a little worse for us, fine. Just don't wrap your sh-t sandwich in a glittery package, pretending that this is, at least in part, out of sincere good intentions.
We are adults and perfectly capable of managing our PTO allotments. People rolling hours over, even year over year, know what they were doing.
But nope, Kari knows us better than we know ourselves and surprise! Everyone excels under a one-size-fits-all reduction.
“ I don’t, however, like that starting Jan 1 we will no longer be paid out our unused PTO.
I suspect this wouldn’t hold up in any court.”
Read the italicized fine print at the bottom of the email. The policy varies by the laws of your home state.
CareBear, if you’re reading: This may be a good for one of those satisfaction surveys….
One saving grace of this policy is that if you use your 56 hours of front loaded time and leave the company before it’s earned, you don’t have to pay it back.
I don’t, however, like that starting Jan 1 we will no longer be paid out our unused PTO.
I suspect this wouldn’t hold up in any court.
Just another way for them to save money by sc--wing us - then claiming it's to help us. I've been trying to save as much of my PTO as I can so I have a little extra cash in case of a layoff. I guess others were doing the same and it was costing them.
Fu-k you, Cigna.
Interesting timing with the All Team meeting coming up on Monday….
Unbelievable just saw the email. Band 5 and above doesn't get sc--wed but we do? The people who actually do the work???! Most band 5 doesn't work the extra hours or do the "grunt" work.
For those here saying it's only a couple of days you're clearly drinking the kool aid or from HR. Before ESI and Cigna merger we could carry over our max. They reduced to 56 which wasn't enough. Now it's even worse. It's clear they don't want US Based employees to have any perks anymore.
This company is heading in the wrong direction anymore which is down the toilet. I used to be proud to work here now I'm ashamed.
This is true. I got the email this morning.
“Rules for thee not for me” band 5 and below only…. And thanks CareBear for looking out for our vitality. I’m sure this has nothing to do with savings from expired and unused pto at year end or (worse) the savings when people are terminated or laid off
In Colorado, by state law, you are allowed to carry over at least one year's worth of PTO. So if you live in Colorado and earn 28 days a year, you are allowed to carry 28 days over to next year, regardless of what the company says.
I maintained my carry over at exactly 28 days thru my last few years with Cigna and received it in a lump sum when they didn't need me there anymore.
“24 hours is 3 days, it is only a difference of 4 days that can't roll.”
Yes, only a -60% difference to a benefit that was already skimpy compared to many other employers in the market. Thanks Cigna!
They are not cutting hours.
I am about to hit the 10 year mark and will go from 23 to 28 days.
Hoping they don’t cut hours.
"56 hours is 7 days."
24 hours is 3 days, it is only a difference of 4 days that can't roll.
56 hours is 7 days. You can be using your PTO and still roll that over, especially if you’ve been with the company more than 5-10 years. It allows for life planning, or even unexpected needs.
I disagree that It doesn't matter. People roll over hours because they know something is happening in the next year (having a baby, partner making a career change so more caretaking needs will fall on the Cigna employee, etc.). Rolling over gives people freedom to life plan
I'm on the fence if this really matters much regarding the roll over hours. If it's true they will front load 56 hours anyway and you can roll 24, that at least takes care of any early year PTO needs, but they are not eliminating any hours from what I'm hearing here. Assuming they change policy to not pay out PTO, hoping they at least continue to pay it out for a job elimination.
If that is really the case, I guess that just means we should all stop being workaholics and take all of our PTO every year. Think about it, if the majority of us are really carrying it over, year in and year out, we are basically telling them we don’t use the PTO they give us. USE IT!!
I just received an email with this policy- it is true
It is a legal requirement for Cigna to pay out unused PTO when you are fired or quit -- unless it was a written policy of the company when you were hired. I believe this is a fairly common formulation across the states.
So, where I'm at, Cigna will still need to pay out our unused PTO regardless of their policy, but a policy change would allow them to not pay out new employees going forwards (like we'll have any of those stateside anytime soon anyways lol).
This is a fishing attempt by management to see who talks about it at work, that way they can tell if you visit this site. Don’t fall for it.
It is true. Communication will go out tomorrow for managers. Frontline to receive the email by end of week. Something else to add…HR will load 56 hours beginning of the year…instead of waiting for time to accrue.
Its true
It’s necessary for VITALITY!!!
Pretty sure most states have laws saying an employer must pay out any earned but not used PTO
I'm in leadership and this would be news to me.
Source: “Trust me bro!”
I don’t know if I believe that, you are the only one that knows this?