Rumor I've been hearing is the biggest layoff is right around the corner and this one isn't being controlled by our leaders- it's higher up the chain and they are looking at getting rid of entire departments.
Ive heard 30-40% of IT and no one is safe up to Sr. Directors and maybe above.
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No one said the layoffs haven't been a big deal. People were specifically asking about when a law is triggered, and so other people answered that what Cigna is doing hasn't met the legal definition of a mass layoff in that law. That's all.
The cumulative impact of layoffs in the last few years IS mass. Just bc it’s not done all at once doesn’t mean a massive number haven’t been let go or that there’s not massive numbers of layoffs to come even if they all dribble in.
Why are you corporate hacks here trying to gaslight scared people? What a bunch of je-ks you are. The situation is bad. I don’t care how you try to spin it. Unbelievable.
Dr. Google says: "The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act triggers when an employer with 100 or more employees plans a plant closing or mass layoff affecting 50 or more employees at a single site, or 500 or more employees during a 30-day period, requiring 60 days' advance notice."
Well a previous poster pointed out that when warn act is triggered, it affects stocks. This makes sense as to why Cigna has so many contractors. Teams have like 70% contractors. In this way contractors can be axed any time and it wouldn’t seen be considered a layoff
I consider 150 is a huge number in term of the layoff. You can call it whatever you want!!!
Huh? People are asking why WARN wasn't triggered and someone answered that mass layoff is a term that has a legal definition in a WARN context, a definition that wasn't met. No one is arguing that even one single layoff doesn't have a huge, detrimental effect on the victim. You're letting your emotions get in the way of common sense, calm down buddy@
A bunch of corporate di-k riders in here. Just wait until it’s you and then the math and percentages won’t matter.
“ I don’t know how they were under the radar for WARN for the EN home based care lay off— it affected a minimum of 150 people."
Do you guys ever look something up before commenting? To trigger WARN, must be at least 500 people for a company of Cigna's size
150 isn't mass for Cigna whether you want it to be or not. It's an objective definition. "Under the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act, a "mass layoff" is defined as a reduction in force that's not a plant closing, resulting in employment loss at a single site of employment, involving either 500 or more employees, or 50-499 employees if they constitute at least 33% of the employer's workforce."
Has HR or Cordani entered the chat? lol the person defending the layoffs is crazy. 150 is mass to some and shouldn’t be downplayed just bc your a$$ wasnt impact
150+ employees were affected by the recent layoff on Friday.
150 employees at a company with over 70,000 is not a mass layoff. It's hardly a drop in a bucket. Come on
Tougher than a $1 freezer burned steak from dollar general
150 employees is only 0.2% of all of Cigna. It sounds like a lot but not enough to be defined as mass.
How tough is it out there for developers in their late 50s to get a job in the current market?
Again…a layoff or two is not a mass layoff
Entire departments are being laid off. What do you think would constitute a “mass layoff”? 150+ employees were affected by the recent layoff on Friday.
Again…a layoff or two is not a mass layoff
With the current market conditions I don’t think they care about WARN anymore. DOGE has enabled all organizations to be far more relaxed laying off.
“ I don’t know how they were under the radar for WARN for the EN home based care lay off— it affected a minimum of 150 people. wondering if it’s because the home based care team covers multiple states and per state the number was under the reporting threshold?”
This is precisely how they have been doing it.
“lol this site has a history of fake layoffs that never happen”
I was just laid off last week as part of the home based care line of business. Can assure you, they aren’t all “fake”.
That being said, i have also heard from higher ups that various jobs were likely to be affected in this next round of lay offs in April. Ours was during a last minute mandatory town hall. All told via Webex in a 9 minute message. So watch out for your schedule being cleared or any last minute meetings you’re required to go to! I don’t know how they were under the radar for WARN for the EN home based care lay off— it affected a minimum of 150 people. wondering if it’s because the home based care team covers multiple states and per state the number was under the reporting threshold?
All decisions on my team for layoffs are Senior Director and above. Directors and downstream managers have not been involved in these discussions on our team. Direct Managers are involved when an employee goes on a PIP, but layoff decisions begin higher up.
I am wondering how they will avoid WARN after cutting the entire Home Based Care department. I suppose if they start rolling layoffs and depending on geographic location of the employees, they will find a way to structure it to avoid it. I have also assumed that layoffs to remote employees are another way to at least help to work around WARN, but I don't know enough about the conditions that trigger WARN in the first place.
Don't be fooled - Sr Directors and above are the ones who are deciding who gets laid off. Sometimes the directors and managers are the ones to determine the names added to the lay-off list, but it always goes through the Sr Director. Layoffs are planned in advance with names provided by the team leadership.
There are several managers who are posting accurate information in this forum. Upcoming cuts will be to consultants, but there will continue to be HIH growth to replace the American work force.
They avoid WARN for the negative PR and therefore stock dip that occurs when reduction in force goes public. It clearly demonstrates the issues internally. All Cigna cares about is inflating the stock price, likely so David can cash out high the end of next year.
Just because you don’t know anyone who got cut on a layoff date doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. If you’re referring to this last wave, I know a whole team save for 3 people that got laid off, with those 3 being moved over someone else.
lol this site has a history of fake layoffs that never happen
Probably moving out of the operations team. Those teams are bloated anyway.
Why are they going to great lengths to avoid warn act? For full time folks you can pay them 60 days out to avoid the penalty. And most full timers would get some sort of severance. I keep hearing layoffs but when layoff day happens nobody reports back. Not sure what to believe.
Cigna has had a history of keeping it just under the number to avoid WARN. Again, look at the layoff numbers since 2023. It’s pretty deliberate.
Also, it’s almost always the case that in these mass layoffs the people making the decisions don’t know your name to your face.
My manager said they're aiming for 30 percent of onshore contractors, and that the cuts of people they already axed was a decision came from far above us, "leaders" that we never even met. Wouldn't surprise me if they were working towards similar goals of FTEs but on a drip drop scale to avoid WARN
I heard 15-20%.
Still a pretty damn concerning number. You’ve done yourself a disservice if you didn’t see the writing on the wall with HIH though. Even before HIH - since October 2023 it’s been clear that no one is safe and this is Cigna’s new normal.
“Ive heard 30-40% of IT ”
Thank for sharing. It makes sense because they have started hiring 1000+ in HIH since August, 2024.