Thread regarding TIAA (TIAA-CREF) layoffs

Thoughts and fears for a 5 days RTO…

With the recent Accenture move this week, seeing how many empty desks there are across the country in person and via Zoom… they can easily make everyone go back to 5 days in the office. Which isn’t kind of scary to be honest.

While this isn’t an issue for most. My (and many others) issue with it is pre covid lockdown, when the 5 days a week was the norm we weren’t badge checked like we’re incompetent peasants. Whereas kids in school from K-12 get an absence for not showing up an employee could still be working just in a different place at their hours. Most people especially salaried/exempt from overtime who work from home tend to put in more than 8 hours.

Managers had no reason to micromanage or throw their direct reports under a bus, if they were working from home because of being were sick or had to take care of someone at home that day. They didn’t care if ICs weren’t working in office for a full 8+ hours or half a day or less. They didn’t track you like a dog with an AirTag to make sure you were here a whole day.

So the fear is that if the company goes back to RTO for 5 days, management will keep checking badge ins and folks can be terminated for not meeting their metric that we were historically never forced to meet in the past.

Don’t get me started on Covid, the bird flu, TB and other diseases and outbreaks out there now or that will come to light in the future.

So in closing if a full 5 day RTO is implemented - they need to stop badge check ins and tracking metrics… OR at the very least be more transparent with our checking than some silly undisclosed average done today. We have a PTO calendar all you need to do is add RTO to that calendar to see the days we checked in because the current average is still incorrect for most and hasn’t been right since they started tracking or has issues and they don’t know until someone complains the numbers are incorrect.

Thanks for attending my ted talk.

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Post ID: @OP+1jkde1kd0

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@r74 there are a lot of people > 50 miles from an office, I am one of them and driving 3 days is tough I’m tired by the end of my shift after 8 hours at my “rented” desk full of Zoom calls. Plus I’m IT so technically 24/7… I can feel the burnout and mass resignation for folks like me coming. There are many people that are even further away who come in to the office 3 days and look are even more tired before noon. Going to have a bunch of Zombies at TIAA real soon.

If we go back to 5 days in office they better get rid of hoteling and assign people desks like we had before this bookit and Zoom era.

Not to mention… We’re going to lose a ton of talented remote only folks who live 2-6 hours from an office that will not be able to do every day or won’t want to relocate because of this asinine move.

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Post ID: @r80+1jkde1kd0

It’s coming go to the town hall tomorrow on Thursday. It includes remote workers too.

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Post ID: @r74+1jkde1kd0

It’s not an even playing field. There are still so many people working 100% remote if you live within 75 miles of an office you should be in an office according to management who has been Tonedeff to this issue in Charlotte. It can take an hour to go 10 miles And I’m sure the other offices have equal stories. Those that work remote do not get rated or get red stickers for the day or week if they do not make it to the office 3 times a week, they do not have to put their days off into a tool for time off. Oh and btw do not report that the calculations have been off since the beginning. Otherwise you have just become a target.

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Post ID: @230+1jkde1kd0

@13p+1jkde1kd0 Guessing that is sarcasm but if not then you clearly missed the point.

OP doesn’t believe 5 days in office is the issue. The issue is if they continue to track associates like they currently do to make sure they meet a specific average. I think it is ridiculous to track everyone. A manager should be able to tell if their people are in office enough unless if they have more than say 10 direct reports. For too long this company put too many people under one person and zero people under other managers or directors. A lot of managers in office a full 5 days and many teams that still have set days to be in office to collaborate.

If I will add to that that I also wish they showed us our days in office not an average that is wrong more times than it should be.

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Post ID: @150+1jkde1kd0

A 40 hour work week and 5 whole days in the office?!! Shame, shame I say! This is inhumane! Fight the power!

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Post ID: @13p+1jkde1kd0

@h8+1jkde1kd0 I have been with the company 25 years and we have had office closures...we did receive texts when we had the surprised snow storms in Dallas and we also received text messages to stay home on Jan 9 and 10th...if they had this new exception last year when Denver was told to work remote last January it would have made a difference with the adherence numbers...this exception works in our favor, if they use it right.

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Post ID: @ry+1jkde1kd0

1- There have been probably a dozen office closures in the past 20 years, excluding COVID. Whoever said there haven't hasn't been here for more than 6 months.

2- to the OP, I like the thinking. And agree. If we did go to 5 days, we could drop all the policies. And I think we would other than an occasional check to make sure no one is abusing things... but that means we'd need to 5 days. And I'd rather deal with attestations and explain why my person was sick and stayed home.

But while it may appear there are empty desks, there aren't enough that everyone could be in 5 days a week. Thanks to the office design team under Roger, they didn't build enough space. So we can barely handle 4 days. 5 would not be possible unless we layoff another 1500 people.

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Post ID: @rh+1jkde1kd0

@f2+1jkde1kd0 Your missing the other posters point.

There has never been a time TIAA closed an office in over 20 years. Last time there was any thing close to a closure was in NY on/after 9/11. So these events will be implemented extremely rarely. There was a tornado in Charlotte a few years back no texts to stay in place at home, those in office all went to the “basement” underground below the streets/landscaping. In the early 2000”s Charlotte had terrible ice storms downs trees power lines in the city but we were expected be in the office. I nearly crashed driving in.

Plus this is only enforced by the incompetent folks in the company. Denver should have been given 6 days since October ‘24 based on the bad weather per the news and police saying to stay off the roads TIAA was open lots of accidents and traffic backup but no we didn’t get a text or a pass for the horrible lweather. Frisco and Charlotte should have been given a day each last month. Sure Chicago may get exceptions for that water main break.

The change is pathetic if you ask me. We should be able to put in weather issues versus it being “automated” by the incompetence at the top.

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Post ID: @h8+1jkde1kd0

5 days RTO will be implemented when they want more people to leave without severance.

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Post ID: @fh+1jkde1kd0

@ the comment about the new exception for badging...you have it backwards...this new exception(finally) works in our favorite when there is bad weather and TIAA sends out texts stating to work from home...in the past we would have to make up the days...coming in 4 and 5 days the following weeks in order to keep our 3 plus averages....

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Post ID: @f2+1jkde1kd0

I see some sort of restack happening. Especially in Denver…

After the SITK yesterday maybe not 5 days yet but sure sounds like they are planning for it if not now then for whoever takes over the company cough JPMorgan cough.

Also the new metrics for badge ins is terrible.
Especially the serious weather events. I remember many times in NY, Charlotte, and Denver that the office may not be experiencing bad enough weather, but citizens were told by government officials to stay off the roads if you can yet the office always remained open. Even during the bad ice storms in the early 2000’s. So folks will now be punished for obeying requests to not drive with the bad conditions. There were at least 3 events like that (where emergency services and news outlets said stay off the roads if you can) over the last 5 months in Denver and Frisco and Charlotte even had one last month but nope you gotta show up to the empty office if your under 3.0.

I’ve never been to Texas but they get every kind of weather event and it always looks bad on the news/social media. Plus Nuveen in Chicago gets hammered worse than the NE and Denver most winters.

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