Can anyone confirm if it's at least some what more safe to be horizons in your first 2 or 3 years? Assuming the horizons person is skilled.
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the cutoff in 2020 was 2 years. I was out of scope @ 1.5 years
Luka Doncic just got traded and you think you're safe at work?
they should just cancel horizon. what a bunch of entitled brats thinking they can job hop for fast track to management.
Horizons here. The program is bunk, whats really differentiating a horizons and someone who isnt? nothing. only advantage is that you get to jump around 3 times which is a safety net incase you land on a bad team. If your horizons experience sums up to you watching youtube, than the issue lies within yourself. you have to find the growth opportunities and not expect to be led to water. That goes for any career
Depends. Some horizons are great and really look to contribute and learn. Others are basically paid tourists who flitter from job-to-job without direction. I imagine if you’re the observer type and people treat you like you're a puppy that they are babysitting until you move jobs, you should worry. If people constantly are surprised you’re a horizons employee, your chances of getting cut are slimmer.
Every lay off, all age groups and experience levels are impacted in a similar way. To do otherwise is discrimination
Before ENGINE, Horizons was seen as cheap labor. Compared to offshore resources, Horizons peeps are no longer cheap. If you’re hoping to have a long career at Chevron, it’s likely that will NOT be the case. I would cut my losses and bounce for a company that will have a better career future.
Strange that the honest feedback was interpreted as being an a--hole.
It's not "kind" or "fair," but the simple fact is that some demographics provide a stronger value proposition.
For an operator like Chevron who is looking to offshore or automate a lot of their routine and lower value work.. this makes early career types vulnerable. They don't have the high-value skills and experiences which are difficult to replace.
I would hope that such honest feedback is appreciated. But, I guess you would prefer we lie to them until we show them the door?
Lots of azzholes in this thread. Not all horizons people are worthless, low gpa, low skilled. Some work harder and are more knowledgeable than half of the older engineers I've worked with who have zero effort spent keeping up with new skills.
"What about those anticipate starting in the next 4 months? Haven’t heard anything about offers being rescinded, but also not sure when I should expect the word on if I’ll even have a job given how slowly things are rolling so far."
New hires that haven't started are likely exempt from the reorg just as in past events. Leadership has known of this event for quite some time and college hires for this year were drastically reduced but Chevron still needs to keep the pipeline of talent flowing.
It makes sense to cut from this cohort. It’s your least skilled, and most over compensated vs skill, and thus most replaceable overseas. Bad time to be early career.
In the past, those in first 1-1.5 years have been safe but that doesn’t mean this time will be the same…
It's important to note that age is only a protected class as relates to those over 40. Chevron can cut as many untrained and unneeded Horizons employees as they would like. And, as another user posted, they may also use them as "sacrificial" to also cut checked-out over 40 types (age balancing).
Chevron is following Exxon's 2020 footsteps with this reorg. And, if Exxon's experience is to be used as a guide, early career types got cut very heavily (some groups/functions saw 75% cuts). I would not be surprised to see the hammer come-down particularly heavily on our youngest.
To avoid claims of age discrimination, Horizons folks will be laid off to counterbalance the highly paid over 55's that get laid off.
I’d like to launch all the horizons kids to the moon.
It doesn’t matter how skilled anyone is, the processes put in place will grind the most skilled employees down so that they just perform the check the box activities to pass along their part of the project to the next person. The company is run by people who think process is what drives success and it’s the individuals who are not executing the processes that are to blame for the poor performance and not the layers of ridiculous processes or lack of any coherent long term strategy.
This post had me interested until they mentioned “skilled horizons” person. They should be the first to go. It’s the phoniest PR program for Human Energy. We need to be head hunting actual skilled individuals instead of entitled kids. Did you know Chevron doesn’t fact check GPAs or graduations all the time. Let that sink in and is no wonder why we end up with incompetent people. If you don’t believe me look at MCBU engineers and their track record. Overall unimpressive and the reason why they’re losing their jobs to India.
As long as you are above average in the overall horizons cohort for your stream, you will be likely safe. Talking from past experience, there are plenty of older and higher paid people than you who stand out as benefits to remove from the bottom line.
What about those anticipate starting in the next 4 months? Haven’t heard anything about offers being rescinded, but also not sure when I should expect the word on if I’ll even have a job given how slowly things are rolling so far.
The best thing we could do would be to send all you entitled lightweights packing.
Not safe - saw many 1st rotation Horizons folks let go in project alpha
When they changed Horizons all over to CBT it became useless. The best part of it is the role rotations, but the learning curriculum requirements are pointless.
Sadly, being cut with less than 3 yoe could be a career ki-ler right now
2020 Reorg, the cutoff was ~9 months. You are not safe.
Let's be fair - I was a Horizons PDR. If in areas of interest to the company, yes. If not, no - no holds bar this round.
Horizons is a joke. It's like watching youtube videos for 5 or 6 years and somehow expecting to come out of it better.