Instead of complaining about it all the time, how about you expand your skill-set so that you can transition to making EVs when the time comes (which, unlike some of you might think, will be much sooner than expected)? I guess that's too much trouble. It's easier to complain about what's inevitable all the time, right?
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Not according to most Americans:
“While the federal government is spending billions of dollars to promote electric vehicles, most Americans still don't consider them practical, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey.
The poll finds that only 28% of American Adults believe electric cars today are practical for most drivers; 54% think electric cars aren't practical; 18% say they're not sure. Those findings are little changed from March, according to Rasmussen.
The survey of 1,000 American Adults was conducted on Aug. 17-18 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. “
To poster claiming we should retrain ourselves about EV technology instead of complaining, I respond....you clearly have no clue.
Most of not all of us would, however we must be allowed that opportunity. What part of EV technology should we focus on? While most of us work (correction were working) 50 hrs a week, were dealing with COVID restrictions almost everywhere for at least two years, and are constantly worried about our current positions how does this allow for upskilling? It really sounds like you're drinking the Kool aid and once you start there's no going back...mso good luck
EVs are NOT reliable transportation in many places:
“California will suffer an energy shortage and “Flex Alerts” through Labor Day due to high temperatures, and residents will be asked to conserve electricity during afternoons and evenings, which means refraining from charging electric vehicles, among other uses.”
No, they are NOT the entire future. They only make sense for Fleets at this stage. Battery tech is not anywhere near what it needs to be for mass adoption, and with no large charging network except Tesla's, don't expect any changes in buying habits from Joe Lunchbucket in Iowa.
I think the prior poster meant:
"You have optimists, pessimists, and then you have the realists." But, point noted either way.
Post ID: @1mma+1issuwUW
That's how yes men are made. If you can't handle the truth, in which you clearly couldn't whether in person, or online, then when in your life will you ever discover it?
You have realists, pessimists, and then you have the realists.
RIP FORD joining Kmart and Sears in the American ICON family plot
Engineers need no retraining... there are ME EE IE... Marketing is the source of cost overruns due to change and causing the quality mess. Look no further than Japan and Korea to see the truth in engineering.
It is too late for FORD. The factories and people knowledge are officially gone.
Ford is part of a global order carrying out its portion of the agenda dutifully and willingly. We and our children are the casualties of the great reset.
1st EVs we’re made in the late 1800s along with gas, steam, etc…why didn’t they become the predominant propulsion system for automobiles because they were not viable and still not viable …they are toys of the id--t Silicon Valley rich
If you think I'm suggesting to trust companies by distrusting governments you're seeing a false dichotomy. Neither has our best interests at heart. Only thing that makes large companies "trustworthy" is that they are profit motivated and the C-level & BoD of all tend to be greedy &/or feel outright entitled to more money at the expense of the workers and customers and we can "trust" that is going to drive their choices so they are at least predictable. I'm with you, @1mma, 100% in that we shouldn't trust anyone else with power over us. Everyone is should be allowed choose for themselves freely.
"OP sounds like a newbie. Ignorant enough that they can’t see beyond their own nose."
It never stops amazing me how people talk so tough and insult others when they can hide behind a computer monitor. Would you walk up to a stranger in a bar and start insulting them this way? I don't think so, you'd get your teeth knocked out, rightly so!
" Ask yourself when was the last time governments actually did what was best for the citizenry rather than the well connected and wealthiest classes?"
Ask yourself when was the last time companies, the well connected and wealthiest classes did what was best for the citizenry rather than the government? Hmmm, I can't think of ONE example in my entire 64 years of life on this Earth.
So your point was that we should trust companies and the wealthy instead of government when at least we have SOME control over government at election time? Pleeease. Maybe you're willing to trust rich tycoons, I'm not. I don't trust ANYBODY with power, neither Biden nor Trump nor companies nor the wealthy. If you trust any of them, you're a fool.
Existing Ford engineers working on ICE vehicles are perfectly capable of working on EVs without "retraining" or "expanding your skill set". That non-sense is a dog that won't hunt! EVs are just batteries, electric motors, charge controllers and ECUs. No new technology here, just existing technology being up-scaled for a vehicle. Its a Farley smoke screen to claim the layoff was because some people's skills are outdated and not applicable to EVs. Stop saying it, its absurd.
OP sounds like a newbie. Ignorant enough that they can’t see beyond their own nose.
Having foresight works both ways. It’s the ability to see into the future, as well as determining what roadblocks are impossible, and best to avoid. I’ll give you one very real example of that lack of intelligence.
- The car will never work, horse and buggy all the way. Clearly that was possible.
- AVs and EVs are the future. Possible? We’ll see.
What’s the difference? The horse and buggy along with the car, keep control in the hands of the driver. AV, will remove it, and place it in the hands of what engineers perceive as best practices, based upon a computer simulation. As they can’t not see or program for what they do not know, and while there are always ghosts in the machine, these are limitations that are going to make themselves seen soon enough. They’ll likely be catastrophic when they manifest.
And you want to speak to us about EV? The error and limitation has always been at the hands of humans, intentional or otherwise, engineer or not. While everyone wants to race to the end goal, they have little idea of the limitations these technologies present. But, we’re certainly about to find out, good or bad.
And that my friends is what is left at Ford! RIP Ford!
Similar to Ford decision not to correct infamous flaming Pintos during rear end collision
@OP. How about you actually learn something, like using your own head to think for yourself, instead of asking others to "learn"? Guess what? I don't need to learn anything to have another job since the laws of physics, chemistry and engineering have not changed.
But here is some food for your thoughts: These lay offs are not about EVs, nor about the amount of employees, but outsourcing the employees to lower cost regions. Doing this, FMC is breaching the existent contract, where NA Ford employees are getting less monthly compensation in exchange for a pension or 401K match.
More for you. The current polls show 4% of people are going to buy an EVs, 22% of people may get one some time in the short term, and 44% of people are adamant of not getting one, while the rest is undecided. Do you think that makes a compelling business case, especially to spend 50 billion dollars in this adventure? Pleeease.
You may not like my complaints, but be sure of this: when the sh-t hits the fan, you'll be going under wuth the company, while I'll float away.
Another text entry by a currently employed Ford person.
EVs don't require much of a skillset. You will learn that soon enough. Ford makes its profits off F150s. They are using up that ICE skillset then throwing it away. Opportunities for transitioning to EV are very limited.
There isn't overwhelming demand by the masses for EV's, ie the shift is not market driven. The hard push for EV's is by governments who are dangling subsidies as the carrot first, then passing laws to prohibit ICE by some given point as the stick. Ask yourself when was the last time governments actually did what was best for the citizenry rather than the well connected and wealthiest classes? Dig deeper and think beyond what you hear mentioned by others.
People tried to move to electric but were blocked. Some quit and went to work for the competition.
EVS are toys for the rich and in debt , and aspirations for the wanna be greenies.
It is engineers job to point out problems that need to be addressed. The WORST course of action is dismiss away engineers warnings of unsolved issues as " complaining ". If an engineer sees a potential issue/flaw with a design they should be obligated to speak up.
With all the warranty issues and recalls, Ford needs more people speaking up and "complaining" . Speaking up is how breakthoughs and new ideas happen. @OP it is just easier to take the status quo, and look the other way.