I finished BS 7 yrs ago and joined SOC team with grade 3 and worked my way up to higher grades -6 now. Now our new hire with PhD always pings me how do I do this?
I ask my self “are you kidding me?” How on earth he is getting paid more than me and always asks for a help. What should I do?
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I recommend that you help out the newbie for these reasons:
- We've all been the know-nothing newbie at some point--and it sucks when people won't help you because you're new.
- You never know how or when the help that you give now will come back to you when you're in need.
- You could learn a lot from that Phd.
- AND he could be your boss one day.
CW's need to STFU about being a CW--you knew what you were signing up for!!!
I was a CW for several contracts; I went to college and got a CS degree. If I can do it, you can too!
You been there for 7 years and still G-6?
Would you prefer he not ask questions and F stuff up? Please request that someone other than you train him. Someone who thinks that asking questions to get up to speed quickly is a bad thing should not be training people. During a PhD, people learn how to do research, not navigate through the many softwares that Intel has. The skills from the PhD will show up once they are used to Intel.
@2ugx Your hypothesis is far fetched. Giant tech companies hire foreigners PhD holders because they are just looking for foreigners on H1B visa. The easiest way to get people on visa is fresh out of school. A lot of foreigners come here on F1 student visa first, which is easier to obtain than other types of visas. Those tech companies are looking for people who they can easily manipulate. H1B visa holders regardless their education level are easy to manipulate and ensl_ave due to their shaky status in the US. I have seen this in action first hand.
I had developed a theory regarding why Intel hires the PhDs and pay them handsomely, but make them do jobs that even monkey could perform, back when I did my internship at Intel over a decade back. They just want to keep them out from going to work for the competitors. Though that strategy hasn't been effective in the recent years as evident from the performance.
Sorry dude, PhD starts with G7 fresh out of college, with no experience. If you feel under-paid, go out find jobs with other companies. It is the proof of what you worth.
The first thing you can do is have a conversation with your manager or HR about the situation and your pay. There is data you can be familiar with and have with you in the conversation to know and state your worth. The best way to gain insight into your peers is to review H-1B pay data for your position, since all filed H1B's include pay information. You will know what Intel is paying and recruiting people for your position. I'm guessing your position is titled Component Design Engineer.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/eta/foreign-labor/performance
Most recent Labor Contract Agreement filings: LCA_Disclosure_Data_FY2022_Q3.xlsx
You can also review copies of what Intel signed and submitted LCA's to the Department of Labor at H1Bgrader.com. Intel files Component Design Engineers using DOL O*Net occupation code 17-2072.00 (Electronics Engineer, Except Computer). The only governmental requirement for this code is a Bachelor Degree so Intel should be hiring and recruiting Bachelor degree candidates equally as they do for H1B supported MS and PHD degrees.
https://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/17-2072.00
According to the Department of Labor, the Electronic Engineering occupation typically only requires a Bachelor Degree (83%) and Associates Degree (14%) or Master's Degree (3%). Why would Intel want to hire someone with a PHD degree if this hiring strategy brings overpaid, incompetent workers and if the Occupation Code they file under are overwhelming set for U.S. Bachelor Degree holders?
Intel is considered a Federal Contractor falling under additional U.S. worker protections of OFCCP. In this a federal contracted company cannot retaliate against an employee for discussing salary information. You can ask you co-worker what they get paid, and under OFCCP the company can't retaliate against you. If they don't want to discuss their pay then you can discuss pay disparities with your manager or HR. If they retaliate against you you should talk to a lawyer to file a complaint through the OFCCP.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ofccp/faqs/pay-transparency
Ask your manager or HR to review the Corporate Standard CRC payscales with you. If I remember correctly, a grade 6 is equal to a BS degree with 3 years, and PHD with no experience. According to CRC corporate standards a BS degree with 6+ years means you meet Grade 8 requirements.
As Intel's DEI chief said, Intel HR has operated as a (legal) compliance department as opposed to problem solvers. I doubt much has changed but make the effort to talk to them.
https://www.itbusinessedge.com/it-management/intel-makes-strides-in-its-dei-efforts/
If you think you're undervalued, leave. It's that simple.
Think about being CW and replying answers for those questions… Most of the front line Intel engineers just attend meetings/ email forwards. They completely rely on us .🤷🏽♂️
If what you learned in those 7 years at Intel was useful, then use them to get a better paying job elsewhere.
One Intel for you, one Intel for me.
Knowing trivial details about job specific tasks doesn't mean much in the grand scheme. Of course anyone with 7 years experience bests any newbie. The question is are you smart enough to learn about things you don't know. Having PhD colleagues might be helpful there. Think about it this way if you and a PhD newbie both got fired tomorrow who would build a brand new successful career faster.
One intel = no other options
@wdn+1iWOybiS I had a similar issue, guessing you miss-understood it. No one questions One intel and why helping a co worker is bad. In fact it’s great! This person is upset because being under paid and not being in a correct grade level which we have so many similar cases at intel. People contributing beyond their grade level and not getting a promo. Close friends share their $ numbers.
How do you know he's earning more than you?
You should feel good about yourself that someone with a PhD is asking for your help. Assuming you are helping him. Are you?
One Intel
I've had something similar and I have some input but out of curiosity is the PHD from outside the US or are they from the US?
New hire is asking questions to ramp?
What a concept. Stay in grade 6 and learn more about ramping up new employees.