I haven't been here long but due to some issues with my manager I've decided to move on. I found a new job that starts in three weeks but I can't afford to lose any pay right now, so I'm not sure if I should give notice or not. I want to be fair to my coworkers, but if there's a chance I'll be terminated on the spot, I don't want to take it. I'm not joining a competitor if that matters in any way.
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Nope previous poster. Ford only provides dates of employment.
You should give two weeks notice. If you don't, any future employers contacting Ford as part of a background check will be told you are not eligible for rehire. No explanation will be provided so it will appears as though you were fired.
I can vouch for what 2cvm is saying. During the desperate hiring after Ford 2000 and before the dot.com bust I saw a young guy with with little clue but lots of pride come in via an agency. A handful of months later it was announced that company was being bought to "improve vertical integration" (remember that buzz phrase?) and that there would be retention bonuses paid out in six months. Turns out that he couldn't understand why his cut was smaller than the management team that had been with the company for many years so quit over it. 20+ years later I could still tell you his name and pick him out of a line-up. Doesn't help that the work he did was had some glaring holes in it that exposed is lack of background and experience.
That is true 1gas. I will add that people tend to remember the very good and the very bad. Since I left F in 2020 I have been amazed at how many of the very bad who were canned by my current employer found lifetime homes at F. And yes they were very bad at F also, but not canned by F. It seems to be common knowledge in metro Detroit that F is the place to collect a lifetime paycheck.
@1bfi - I generally agree with you. Sage advice I saw years ago was to remember that all professional fields are smaller than you would expect and people may remember you much longer than expected.
My take on it though is to not burn bridges outright, but also to not play their games. Remember that HR is there to protect the company and not to help you in any way. Once it's time to go and you're lined up, gtfo, don't stick around and be a potential scape-goat or target.
No, but dont burn bridges on way out…. Just follow the process….no need… you may never come back but who knows
What I have heard is they will ask you what you would like your last day to be. You can then suggest something and see how that goes. End of month is pretty common and preferred for payroll reasons. They do ask you if you're going to a competitor in which case you will have to leave right away. Otherwise, you can work until that date you specified. You will have an LL6 meeting in which you will hand over laptop with phone and passwords. They will be able to see any data you leave behind!
They will want to have an exit interview with you very likely and it is generally recommended to skip those. Unless you plan on coming back one day. Be prepared for it.
2 weeks notice? Absolutely not. The company will not give you the same 2 weeks notice if they fire you. It's likely they will walk you out the door the minute you tell them. You will get paid for the time you worked, plus accrued vacation time. They will not pay you an additional two weeks for not working.
Not looking to be a downer, but does the " fear of going to a competitor with secrets" really have any basis in fact? Who would want to know what Ford is planning, if they could see how cycle plans are achingly out of date and assembled by monkeys, have ever noticed how past launches go, or realize how the CEOs just bumble along.
The company would walk you out the door in a heartbeat without any compassion. I’ve seen it happen.
Unless your co workers are lifelong close personal friends don’t worry about it. I’ve seen many people walk in to HR the day they quit.
Remember that under most circumstances the company won't give you any notice so they are setting the stage there. If you think you might want to come back in the future then you may want to give notice. Or if for some reason you think lack of notice could come back to haunt you, eg you have a unique name that people will likely remember or your in a small niche where the small world effect is strong. Don't tell them anything other than you're leaving. Not where, not why, nothing. Let them figure it out. And definitely don't fall for a counter-offer since you'll end up with a target on your back.
Of course everyone's situation is different, but generally the only good reason for giving notice is to maintain your own reputation.
@OP. When I have given the 2 weeks notice, I expected the manager to request what is best for the company, like training my replacement or knowledge transfer. Most of managers have no clue, and they kept piling the daily tasks. Because I am already leaving, there won't be any promotion or reward for hard work. Therefore, I have taken my time doing the assignment, especially because all my coworkers wanted to chat or say goodbye. In summary, the 2 weeks notice is a time to relax in the old spot and prepare for the new position.
In one instance, I was expecting to continue working during that time, but I was terminated in the spot (I was on the initial 6 months probation time, and I found the company was not my match). So I took an economic hit. This taught me that you don't know how managers are going to react to the news of you leaving. Even when they look balanced and friendly, some take it very personally and with a vengeance.
Now, the idea behind the 2 weeks notice is common courtesy, to give time to the company to adjust to your departure. The idea from your side is not to burn bridges.
So now it comes the question... Do you want to ever comeback to FMC? If the answer is no, blow the bridges and do not tell anybody until you are away. Give notice on your last Friday (so that day is paid), ask to take your vacation days and some leave days to cover your 2 weeks notice, while you work in the new place.
If you have hopes to return to Ford, I'd give a 1 week notice. You apologize to your manager that you cannot provide longer notice because the new company wants you right away, but you insisted on at least provide one week notice to FMC. Worst case scenario, you only have to go through one week of H3ll, or take a one week pay hit.
Remember, MI is an at-will state. Your manager can fire you on the spot (with made up reason), and you are not obligated to provide notice. I hope this helps you.
Good luck on your new adventure!
You will still get paid regardless. I would give them 2 weeks notice and ford will pay you whether they force you to leave on the spot or not. I doubt they will force you out, especially if it isn’t a competitor. I also wouldn’t say where you are going. Just send an official resignation letter to your boss saying something like July 15th will be my last day and thank you so much for the opportunity, etc. I wouldn’t list where you are going.
A tip, do not tell your manager who you will actually be working for. Instead just give them some random, but plausible, company name.
Why? More than one petty/jealous manager/co-worker has went out of their way to contact the new employer and say uncharitable things.
If you want to tell your old co-workers where you are going, wait until you have been at your new employer a few months and have established your reputation there.
Common courtesy dictates you give an employer two weeks notice, and work those last two weeks. The one exception is, when asked: "....what company are you going to...?" If you refuse to tell the manager the name of the new company, your manager will leave the room for a moment to call security. He'll return to casually continue chatting with you. Once security arrives, the manager will indicate because the new employer might be a competitor, it's best if you leave work effective immediately. You'll then be escorted to your car and not permitted to return to your desk.
Depends. They will pay you for your two weeks and any accrued vacation time that isn't used. Whether they have you work is up to your boss.