What's Honeywell's move now?
https://www.theblaze.com/news/federal-judge-blocks-bidens-vaccine-mandate-for-federal-contractors?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20211207Trending-Mandates&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News
Your dear leader got his boaster, if it’s good enough for Drump then it’s go enough for you
@abxs Go work for Boeing.
https://thepalmierireport.com/boeing-suspends-vax-mandate-for-employees/
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The GQP posts on here are funny
Stand your ground and put your health first over a job. There are to many people getting sick or having adverse reactions to the jab. This is a huge text in how much will we comply.
@9qfa+1ebOwNJk
Actually, I'm your boss and will be letting you go in a couple of weeks. 😆
It's interesting to note that you made your post very, very early in the morning. As if you were in a different country. 😒
@9uva is a BlueAnon troll who gets his propagada from CPUSA.
According to the CDC not only are 80% of the omicron cases among the double vaxxed but 30% of those are also triple vaxxed!
Yes, supposedly 800,000 have died "with" Covid but NOT "of" Covid and that includes using a faulty PCR test.
Practically everyone who died for any reason over the past 2 years and tested positive counted as a Covid case.
However, it is not we science based who are denying proven therapeutics
and we are not the superspreaders.
Per CDC, 80% of the Omi.cron cases are among the double jabbed. You are free to exercise your right to hide in your mom's basement until you get your 7th booster...
So…this whole discussion is pointless! Honeywell just sent out an email reminding employees of the January 4th vaccination deadline. It is now a Honeywell requirement.
You keep deflecting. 800,000 dead as of today. Most of any country. How is the US special? We should have the lowest, not greatest per capita rate.
Keep denying anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers (I’d say antiXers, but somehow that’s calling someone names???)
Biden and Nancy can wear masks for hours at work while on camera, but healthy anti-maskers are somehow being put in danger by a mask at the grocery store?
Jerusalem Post: 'Three shots of Pfizer COVID vaccine 4x less effective against Omicron'
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/two-covid-vaccine-shots-does-not-protect-against-omicron-sheba-688496
"anti-X’er"
"educated folks"
LMAO!
@5ivs
I spent an hour, not a lot of time.
I outlined a thought process and proposed a conclusion deduced from it - you posted nothing substantive in response.
Nothing was childish on my part, I didn’t project (school loan comment - of which I don’t have any; I worked through school and am acutely aware of Mr. Twains sentiment as I share it). I’m not the one calling names.
You didn’t ask my source, you didn’t counter with any data opposed to my facts, you didn’t point out an error in my conclusion.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
What I conclude from that is that you don’t really have anything to parry with except emotions and projections - I’m not missing useful information about masks.
Thx for the conversation, I confirmed some suspicions, learned a bit from some citations, and feel better that I haven’t missed new and substantial information…
@5skx, you say you spent a lot of time on this, but all the time you wasted in your bloviated response refuted nothing. Also noted are your childish hypocrisy and self-described "educated" snobbery. If you have any school loans, you got ripped off, and I bet you are hoping that Biden will pay them off for you. Thanks for playing! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"I never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
Spent an hour running through the cited material below (msn and some private looking page). The MSN one was some rookie journalists summary of another journalists article - the first wasn’t exactly a pillar of academic honesty.. The examples pulled from the CDC studies webpage that weren’t RCT as “proof”, ignored the fact that on the same page were studies that reflect similar mathematical approaches as RCT. Essentially, you -can’t- do an RCT on this topic without purposefully exposing a large number of study participants. But there are other, appropriate study methods and they are cited on the CDC page in the same table. Essentially, the first author looked for a statistical approach that couldn’t be realistically applied to the topic, then screamed that that approach not being used is PROOF the CDC is out to get us.
The second cite was a webpage of links to reports that discuss mask efficacy. Every one of those reports I reviewed (didn’t hit them all), was associated with mask application in off nominal conditions. N95 while approaching anaerobic phase of exercise (duh, CO2 gonna go up), N95 while pregnant and actively working (as a nurse in this case), infection rates in combat due to treatment by personnel without masks.
Both of these sites are peddling words and phrases I’ve seen in common anti-X’er arguments. And as expected, they were lifted out of relevant context to prove a point that was false. Thanks for playing, but if anything, a critical review of the latest “proof” doesn’t seem to hold up.
Notice, this side of the conversation is civil? No name calling, false equivalency, projection at the other side, baby talk, etc. This is where educated folks can detect that one side is being honest and the other side probably lost their objectivity…
If a rational person looks at the randomized studies with actual control groups (listed below), instead of the CDC's non-controlled anecdotal citations, you will see that viruses are able to go through a cloth mask like mosquitoes through a chain-link fence.
Not only that, but people with dirty hands are constantly adjusting, donning & doffing them, placing them on dirty surfaces, and that any particles that are stopped continue to build up inside and are pushed out as again as aerosols.
The science against wearing face diapers for Covid is overwhelming according to control-group studies, but continue to wear your lucky charm "amulet" as a placebo if it makes you feel "safe". Remember, St. Fauci says wearing 3 face diapers is even better...
With the court order suspending the mandate, Clearwater seemingly cannot claim they don't have to follow Florida law, which requires alternatives to vaccination. The Florida AG is facilitating legal claims/complaints against companies that don't follow the law. The question is, if you file a claim will HI terminate you in retaliation? This seems unlikely especially if the number of employees filing complaints is large.
@5qfy,
“If you're wearing your mask and someone farts, do you smell it?”
This is the false setup. Yes you smell it, because it’s a gas.
“If so, how do you think it's going to stop an aerosolized virus?”
With a filter. As tight as mesh as possible, preferably forced air through a dense filter. However, this is not practical because there aren’t 350M sitting on a shelf.
A cloth mask is such a filter. The mesh size is larger than the virus, but the aerosol droplets carrying the virus are what you try to stop. Those droplets are much easier to trap. Probabilistically, as the droplet travels in a straight line, it’s gonna bump into a fabric thread at some point. It can’t go straight through the mask for the same reason you can’t casually see through it - there’s paths through the cloth, but not many in a straight line. The goal here is to CUT DOWN THE PROBABILITY OF TRANSMISSION. Having a barrier that impacts exhale, even if it’s only 20% effective, reduces the probability of every following event that leads to a death. Kinda like compound interest, that little impact early scales into sizable transmission.
“If someone's coughing or sneezing, sure, it will stop respiratory droplets. “
Bingo, that’s what it’s for. Unless you fa-t corona virus and don’t wear clothes in public…
“If someone is healthy or asystematic, the mask does nothing but impair respiration. “
By definition, if someone is healthy, they’re not spreading corona. My guess is that person would prefer that OTHER people didn’t pump virus into the air, which a mask helps curb. If that person is asymptotic, they CAN spread it and the mask can reduce the contaminated aerosol droplet at the source (per your statement above) (remember we’re talking probabilities, not absolutes). If a simple mask causes someone respiratory issues, they have some underlying health issue and aren’t part of the bulk of the population in the center sigmas.
The rest of your post was inflammatory emotion and hence rejected further reply.
@5bip, so 15,000 deaths by covid vax per 200,000,000 treated is unacceptably high, but 750,000 deaths by covid per 350,000,000 total population is OK? That’s the statement when bringing up VAERS stats. In one breath, “everything is counted as a covid death so the stats are tainted. But look at this slice of stats that I can spin as support for my case.”
Fail
To Critical Thinkers,
Per CDC website: "Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment."
"The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) is used for all vaccines, not just for the Covid vaccines. It was started in 1990 to provide a way to track and identify early indications of problems with vaccines. In the 32 years of its existence, there have been a total of 26,680 reported deaths for all vaccines, or 9,061 total deaths from all other vaccines besides the Covid vaccines. That is roughly 280 deaths per year for all other vaccines combined. Given that there are now over 40 different vaccines tracked in the database, the number of deaths attributable to any vaccine is very low – except for the Covid vaccines."
"In just ten months, the number of deaths attributable to the Covid vaccines is almost 63 times the annual number for all other vaccines. By the end of the year, that factor will likely be almost 80 times."
I hope that people understand (or acknowledge) that you could report "a tree fell on me outside the vaccine clinic" to CDC's VAERS and it would stand as an adverse event. Not sayin that all are fictitious but many are irrelevant to the safety of the vaccine.
@5wtv+1ebOwNJk
If you're wearing your mask and someone farts, do you smell it? If so, how do you think it's going to stop an aerosolized virus? If someone's coughing or sneezing, sure, it will stop respiratory droplets. If someone is healthy or asystematic, the mask does nothing but impair respiration. Your right to a false sense of security should not trump my right the breath freely. If I'm not coughing and sneezing, leave me alone and I'll do the same.
CDC announces 79% of all U.S. omicron cases have occurred in vaccinated individuals:
"Among these [43] cases of COVID-19 attributed to the Omicron variant, 34 (79%) occurred in persons who completed the primary series of an FDA-authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine ≥14 days before symptom onset or receipt of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result," the report noted.
"This figure included 14 individuals, or nearly a third, who had also received an additional or booster dose of the vaccine."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7050e1.htm
Dear Branch Covidian,
How many links do you want? "Scrubbing" smoke particles is much different than stopping viruses. No one in a Covid ward is wearing non-fitted sealed respirator masks. They are using N95 and above. Hope that is simple enough for you.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/do-masks-actually-work-the-best-studies-suggest-they-don-t/ar-AANfurl
https://ptaka71907.wordpress.com/2021/08/22/follow-the-science-studies-show-masks-are-not-effective-in-stopping-transmission/
Downvote, but no response…
Why do we accept “cover when you cough”, but a mask isn’t statistically relevant to slowing covid? Do the Asians, who commonly mask in major urban centers, have no data to show efficacy of masking?
We’re just critically thinking and asking questions here.
Ok, let’s jump into that rabbit ho-e. We’ll start simple…
Explain how your furnace filter and oven fumehood can scrub smoke particles out of the air, but a mask can’t scrub out exhaled aerosols.
"Real facts with citations and something resembling logic…"
This poster says he is all about facts, statistics, logic, but provides NONE beyond the same talking points parroted by propaganda outlets like WaPo, NPR & CNN. The cult of Branch Covidians are just as enslaved to their Kool-Aid as their Jonestown mentors were.
Wow, three wackadoodle posts that don’t address the root question. 200M vaxxed is 2:3 ratio in the US. A majority got “the jab”, and there are more deaths amongst the deniers. All your noise doesn’t change that - mathematics matters.
And, for the uncountable number of times, the unvaxxed are the majority carriers, even when the minority population. If we cut the carriers, the virus will run out of avenues to multiply and spread. The virus reproduction process is where variants come from. The anti-vax community is has primary breeding ground. That makes them a public health hazard. And lately, they’re 1st degree public health hazards - they know the facts and refuse to take mitigations. (mu---rs don’t beat a rap with the “but my freedumbs” defense either).
We know this because math, science, and history… all those classes that only the nerds like me paid attention to in school. Critical thinking skills also require that you keep your emotions, wishes, and politics in check.
Fucci isn’t a Saint. I don’t watch any main stream media aside from the occasional “what’s happening in reality land”. And I do occasionally include Fox opinion just to get a bead on what the whackadoodles are drooling about today.
So, how about we drop the whataboutism and you explain how the stats support the case that it’s all a sham? Real facts with citations and something resembling logic…
Hey @4tiv, I believe that you should be free to take all the Covid shots you want, wear your mask for as long as you want and even feel free to hide in your home for as long as you want.
At the same time why don't you leave the rest of us with acquired immunity the he-l alone! Your fascist attempts at medical apartheid will backfire.
@4tiv+1ebOwNJk is the type of herdthinker that also believed in the consensus "science" of bloodletting! Next he will be lecturing us on the "science" of man-caused global warming -- LMAO!!
@4tiv if only your "critical" review had some real stats to back it up. But, as usual you Covidian group thinkers spew the same propaganda talking points that your St. Fauci makes on MSM TV.
Stating that dirty face diapers slow aerosol transmitted viruses and are cost effective is repugnant to reproducible science. Like the jabs, the negative effects of wearing face diapers far outweigh any good -- especially among children.
How many mRNA jabs will you have to take before you admit that they are not working like real vaccines? You are still catching, spreading, creating variants, and even dying from Covid. The first cases of Omicron were all among the "fully vaccinated". I'm glad that the traditional and tested vaccines that I took as a youth actually work.
So, critical thinkers will stick with the time-proven science of natural immunity & therapeutics. The real crime that will be fully exposed in the near future will be all the unnecessary de@ths from the jabs themselves and not administering existing therapeutics in early treatment.
Good luck with your 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th jabs!
@4imk, well, if stats applies, why do you keep bringing up 3 sigma examples as proof that the 1 sigma population is being subverted someone?
Sure, some folks with the vax come down with or die of covid. But the statistics prove the bulk of the vaxxed population doesn’t - disproportionate to none vaxxed.
Sure, masks are a political statement, but the stats are plain as day in favor. The cost-benefit of masking is excellent. For essentially zero cost, you can curb even a few percent. And this is a situation where even a few percent matters a lot to the spreading factor.
Sure, some wackadoodle doctors “have proof” of some kind that the virus or treatments are a scam. But it never seems to pass any kind of neutral review. (Like ppl that believe in the healing power of crystal and energy vortex). 1 in 1000 drs making whackadoodle unsubstantiated claims does not prove the science is false.
Critical enough?
@4mgy statistics do apply and that was the point of the poster you mentioned. I would send a link for Critical Thinking Skills 101, but I am quite sure that you are not up to the task.
@4vzv and all the folks that think this argument is meaningful…. Please refresh yourself on basic statistics and then come explain why statistics doesn’t apply to a population of 350 million people.
https://youtu.be/VPZD_aij8H0
Mandatory jabs & testing for those with natural immunity?
SanFran Chronicle: "Kaiser Permanente says 11 of its vaccinated and boosted Oakland Medical Center workers were among a cluster of East Bay Covid cases linked to the Omicron variant."
CNBC: Pfizer's CEO said today that people will need a fourth Covid Injection sooner than expected after research shows the Omicron variant can undermine protective antibodies generated by the vaccine.
And not just survivable, but easily treatable!
A "deadly" virus that is 99% survivable, but contracted & spead by the double and triple jabbed...
Why would HON not put the breaks on the mandate?
Because a deadly virus spreading through a company’s facilities is bad for business.
Knowing Honeyidiots, everyone in the industry will quickly cancel mandates while Honeymorons will cancel by 2025.
So should i cancel my vax appointment since mandate is supposedly blocked