Know a few people that have left. The last couple claim Ford counter offered to try to keep them. They left anyway because they were sick of the cr-p. But I always heard Ford didn't counter. Maybe they aren't as into losing people as the mandate suggests!
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Ford does not counter. Your manager might try to get something for you but HR policy prohibits it. Anyone who says the have recieved a counter offer from Ford is lying.
You’re checking it for the same reason that others who have left are checking it…
Waiting to see the empire fall because you were on the inside and saw how poor the business decisions have been over the years.
I left 3 weeks ago and was asked if they could have until the end of the day to counter. I said no, sent my final emails, put up my “I have left Ford” auto reply, and signed off.
No regrets on not waiting for that number.
I left ford but don't know why i am checking this website everyday.
I was there for 6 years.
Answer to the other poster btw i bumped my total compensation 15-20 percent
Please, you wish you worked somewhere else. You don't have the guts to try
This is one of few places with any real viewership to come and play like this. So yeah, whether we worked for Ford, Exxon, AT&T or some bank... you're stuck with us. :)
When you are grossly underpaid, money is the primary issue.
One male GSR8 was 35k under worst GSR8 in his area and actually paid less than some of GSR7. After 9 years of asking, the LL6 got him a 11k bump and promised another 11k bump the following year (never happened). Those who stay with Ford their whole careers are inevitably making considerably less than their coworkers.
That being said when I found out I was making 50k less than all my male counterparts, I resigned and told them why, with proof. (BTW I was consistently TA). In a counteroffer my salary was adjusted to match the male counterpart average after multiple meetings. After that my LL6 thought I should be working twice as many hours as my salary had doubled. I hung around for several years before leaving. The problems swapped from poor pay, too bossh0le behavior. Funny how the males on the team were allowed to work 30-40 hours a week for 40 hours pay, but he wanted me to work 70-80 hours a week for the same pay.
I have heard this one as well: "Counteroffers are not a effective retention tool and people who want to leave should move on."
however, over time it seems reminiscent of the "it is what it is" mentality at ford
"warranty cost has been $N billion per year for years. it's not gonna change. another day another dollar." type of thing.
think about it: with the standard low-ball merit raises at ford, you can get way behind the market rate for your job after a small number of years. maybe that was not true long ago when your HR pal worked there, but now... sometimes money Is the issue. it certainly is when you try to buy a new F150!
Better to use a job offer as a bargaining chip to change jobs at Ford if you are being blocked. Blocking is bad behavior by management and they know it. However, you should still be prepared to leave Ford, in case management still refuses to let you move. They play cruel games with the GSRs. Just normal businesses for them.
Agreed it definitely friends on the source of the malcontent. I worked at my first company for 10 years. My salary was abysmal. Had they countered I probably would have stayed there at least another 5 years.
Money is not the main source of my malcontent today🙃
Generally true that more money won't make an unhappy employee content for the long term. Might help for 2-6 months, but after that the source of unhappiness becomes the dominant factor again.
Exception being, as in my case, when the money really is the cause of the discontent. When I was forced from one agency, where I was low-balled some but decent benes and no worries about paychecks, into a different agency that had s**t for benes and screwed up my pay checks more often than got them right, I had enough enough of it. At that point money to make up for the lost value of the benefits would've kept me happy instead of walking out the door.
Eh... Sometimes. I've accepted two counter-offers in my life. I worked out another 8years on one, and I'm 2 years into this current one. Sometimes it really is about the money.
On the other hand, I had another place offer me $20k more than they were paying me, to match the offer I had just received, and I turned it down. I don't think I would've taken it if it was $50k more. I just couldn't stand the place.
I have a retired buddy who was high up in HR. He used to say that money is not the reason people stay or leave. Throwing money at an unhappy person will not resolve why they want to quit. Counteroffers are not a effective retention tool and people who want to leave should move on. People who do not want to be at Ford, no matter how skilled, are not good for the company.