Stop being miserable and take your hate with you. Those of us who still like our jobs at Ford will be grateful.
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Wow of all the engineers at FoMoCo, only two are Tesla caliber? Wow, just wow.
It does sound about right though. After I left Ford, several of my Ford coworkers called me asking for references and for a job recommendation at the company I joined. It was quite awkward as all but one were unqualified and all had bad work habits. I opted to give the the hiring managers contact info and then had off the record conversation with the hiring managers and bluntly advised him of the candidates capabilities and work habits.
One ex-coworker told me he was looking for easy money and a cushy job. I advised him to stay at Ford then.
I know of 2 FoMoCo engineers that retired and went to Tesla. They said it is extremely hard work with long hours but making $200,000/yr is well worth it. Plan is to work a few years and retire for good.
90% of Ford employees wouldn't cut it at Tesla. No only "working" 8 hours a day, half of which is at home Depot and carting your kids around.
Elon will work your ho-e off and most Ford employees aren't used to that.
when you say "the grass is always greener until it isn't", you may be thinking of the green grass in southeastern michigan only. this is what Ford HR wants you to believe. there's plenty of non-Ford green grass in the world if you look around.
My goodness @OP
First off the majority of Ford employees wouldn’t have a prayer of being hired by Tesla.
Second at Tesla constructive criticism is welcomed and used to immediately improve processes and products. At Ford constructive criticism is buried and the person with improvement suggestions is labeled as a trouble maker and told if they don’t like Ford processes to leave.
Third at Tesla there are no job boundaries, everyone is expected to pitch in where needed and to understand and help improve all processes, not just one small piece of one process. At Ford, you are ostracized if you step out of your little box to offer help to others. Horror of horrors if you help someone not in your immediate group. Horror of horrors if you show you know how to build a better mouse trap.
Who truly enjoys working at Ford?
- Mediocre process hounds who enjoy doing one small thing repetitively, while pretending to be experts in their field of endeavor.
- Power hungry politicians
- Retired on the jobbers
- Clock punchers
Who hates working at Ford?
- innovators
- people who want to get things done correctly
- people who want to get things done quickly
- people who want to improve their skills and knowledge by working with people better than they are.
The sad truth is that many Ford employees have fooled themselves on how talented they are as compared to their coworkers they might be better than average, but compared to industry standard they are at the bottom of the heap. This becomes apparent when they try to find another job (before or after layoff). There has been a steep decline in Ford employee quality since around 2005. The decline started when HR removed the higher GSR bands GSR 9+. Once the limit for GSR was 8, the writing was on the wall, Ford only wanted mediocre employees.
The quality of vehicles as well as internal work products reflects the drive for mediocrity.
Until you work at GM, then it'll knock your socks off, and you'll be in glee.
And then you leave for Stellantis, then it'll knock your socks off, and you'll be in glee.
And then you leave for Tesla, then it'll knock your socks off, and you'll be in glee.
And then you leave for teir one, then it'll knock your socks off, and you'll be in glee.
And then you leave for teir two, then it'll knock your socks off, and you'll be in glee.
I'm starting to see a pattern here. People are only excited when they land the job. After working the job for a while, the grass is always greener until it isn't.
Amen! I love my job at Ford. It’s the best place I’ve ever worked. People who have never worked elsewhere have no idea how good they have it.
Well, if I do move to a different country, I may as well keep working for Ford considering all the jobs they exported out of US. Might work better for Ford too since these poorer nations put less emphasis on lives - assuming they are driving Fords too.
I agree with @egd+1e9l3aus in that as a customer, I would not want my life endangered by a product made by a company with miserable employees. Explains those recalls about parking brake not working, steering wheel falling apart while driving, and many, many critical defects. How are these vehicles allowed to be on the road? It doesn't just endanger the driver but the other surrounding drivers of other vehicles as well. Pedestrians too.
It is a safety issue at this point.
Please. There is a huge difference between moving to another country and getting another job. Stop being so dramatic. If you don't want to follow Company policy, go work somewhere else.
From a customers perspective, could you just make better vehicles. If your happy to be at Ford, but part of the many quality and assembly problems, I wish you would leave.
It's like saying - if you don't like the US, move to China. Just want to point out it's not that easy to pack up and leave a job. We still need $ but we should be able to speak up too.
If Ford will guarantee paying the employee who leaves until that employee finds a new job, then sure! it will be much easier to leave Ford.
Why do that unless they pay more? Afterall, both are simply jobs, and not careers. Highest bidder wins, even if it goes on a stretch of 5, 10, or even 20-30 years.
The only reason things improve is because of dissatisfied people. If you're satisfied with the state of affairs at Ford then there is no impetus for you to change anything.
What’s not to like when you get paid for sitting at home playing on the computer and call it “ work “
Might be a good career move even if you love Ford. By the way , disagreeing with a policy doesn’t equate to hate.
From insiders.com , October 2021
Tesla's impressive $2,984 R&D investment per vehicle is comparable to that of the next three automakers combined. Meanwhile, legacy OEMs spend an average of $495 per vehicle on marketing. Even if these OEMs stopped spending on marketing and shifted those funds toward R&D, they'd still be far behind Tesla's R&D investment per vehicle. If Ford made the switch, it would only increase its R&D spending to about $1,700 per car.
You can bet @OP+1e9l3aus has hysterics when somebody says “ America, love it or leave it “ though.
That is because you are under age 30. You haven’t been forced out, had benefits cut, or forced to move jobs yet due to your age or have friends who have - all under some made up pretext such as reorg, lack of work, or bad performance. In about 10- 15 years, this will all change. Remember that you were warned!
There are plenty of us left who still like it here, by the way.