...something, but I have yet to hear any specific details beyond that Ford will "have to take corrective actions" for those who haven't reported by this weekend.
Do we expect them to go immediately to handing out pink slips, or a more measured response like GM of docking bonuses, or something in between?
I’ve been back since May of 2020 and there have not been any confrontations between vaccinated and unvaccinated employees or any hostile discussions about the vaccines.
Most of the ones here screaming about “antivaxxers” and hoping they get fired are probably organized trolls who don’t even work for the Company. The few that do are the ones normal people have learned to avoid at all cost both publicly and privately.
Turns out that the penalty for failure to report status is about the same as happened at GM. Any bonus award for the year cut in half, and a dinged on this year's PR. Of course there'll be additional scrutiny next time involuntaries come around, but anyone who is much above pay grade median is already a big target.
Looking at the posts, it has gotten to a point of diminishing return. Good bye to you all.
Dr. Harvey Risch, MD, Ph.D., Yale Professor of Epidemiology:
"No. I put it the other way around. The unvaccinated should be afraid of the vaccinated. They’re just as infected. In fact, maybe more infected. If vaccinated, people are infected. So it is well known that it is the vaccinated people that generate the mutant strains and not the unvaccinated people. And that has led that corruption of the medical establishment saying that unvaccinated people are generating the mutants is an absolute falsehood. It is exactly the opposite. This has been known for 100 years that it’s vaccinated people who are more prone to generate mutant strains."
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-823830789386
When the people fear the government, it's called tyranny, when government fears the people, it's called liberty.
@3hcp+1dkrmkXG - Too bad we need to spell it out for those who just want everyone to get vaxxed so that Covid will be done with and we can get back to our old lives. (Not going to happen, Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche wrote a detailed explanation on this back on Jun 21st). Only thing I have to add is that is that there is not yet a mandate, merely Biden has directed OHSA to formulate regulations which he wants to include certain conditions. The fact that private corporations are rushing to enforce this non-existent ruling is just one more way in that history is analogously repeating itself.
@2vtp+1dkrmkXG - I think you may have missed the recent news out of Germany that grocery stores may opt to refuse selling food to "certain undesirables" who have a different ideological viewpoint. If this doesn't sound familiar maybe you should ask your Dad about it.
@2vtp+1dkrmkXG "comparing the horrors of the Holocausts to getting a shot!"
Getting a vaccine, of course, doesn't compare to the horrors of the Holocaust. However, the point that I think you missed, is that Hi---r actually convinced the Germans that Jews were "evil" an started the war against the Jews in stages. So first it began isolating the Jews from the rest of society, boycotting their businesses, marking them as "undesirables", then it came the night of the broken glass, where all Jews businesses were burned to the ground, then the ghettos were established and then the concentration camps and massive shootings. All that horror while the government said it was done in the name of bettering the society, just punishing the "bad people" and most Germans truly believe it.
Now let's go back to the present. We have an (unconstitutional) vaccine mandate, where the government is fine with some people getting fired for resisting the mandate. There are vaccine passports, which will isolated the unvaccinated from the rest of the population, limiting their access to services and marking them as "undesirables". At the same time, this is done in the name of good, to improve our society and to punish the "bad unvaccinated people". Do you like the similarities yet?
Should we wait for the ghettos and concentration camps? Or should we call this for what it is? Just a leftish attempt to divide our society, weakening the forces of this country, all while hiding the bad performance of the current administration. So when people compare it to the Holocaust, they are comparing the beginnings, and we don't want to see these horrors in America. After all, the Holocaust was not worse thanks to the Americans that gave their lives fighting against Nazis.
If you don't have the freedom to be stupid you have no freedom at all.
Read about a guy named Henry that built a vehicle that was slower that a horse, less reliable than a horse and cost more than a horse, thought he could sell them and make money, how stupid.
At step 10 in the 10 steps to fascism
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/naomi-wolf-steps-to-fascism/
If you think this is just about a shot and can't see the fascism study up and if you still can't see the fascism you are an imbecile
Post ID: @jje+1dkrmkXG
Really, comparing the horrors of the Holocausts to getting a shot!
Over 6 million people were put to death! My Dad was there!
What an imbecile!
It's something that we all should think about. And it's not easy to do honestly since we all want to see ourselves in a positive light. Balancing principles against the pragmatic necessity of earning living is where things get really challenging.
@1sxb+1dkrmkXG - I also gloss through zerohedge regularly and was surprised I hadn't read that articleyet. More than being right wing the site is an aggregator of doom & gloom views through a lens of economics and gov't actions. I enjoy the fact that neither "Tyler" nor the commenters pull punches if there's one to be thrown.
Step into my office… why?? Because you’re fired!
What Kind of Person Are You Really?
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/10/what-kind-person-are-you-really-laura-hollis/
The pattern is consistent and immediately recognizable: A statement is made or a position is taken by those in power. It is factually suspicious, if not transparently false, yet no one is permitted to question it. Real scientific inquiry is forbidden. Data that supports the official narrative is falsified, and that which refutes it is suppressed. Scholarly papers are withdrawn from publication. Social media companies censor anyone who tries to present accurate information or alternative theories. Corporations fire outspoken employees. Friends and family shun loved ones who refuse to toe the party line.
Later, the official story is revealed as false, or the forbidden facts are revealed to be true. This is quietly dismissed or ignored.
We're watching this play out with climate change, transgenderism, the Trump/Russia collusion story, the story of Hunter Biden's political, financial and se-ual exploitation, the suspicious circumstances surrounding the November 2020 election, the Jan. 6 non-"insurrection," the COVID-19 lab leak theory, the efficacy of dr-g treatments for it, the risks of the experimental vaccines and the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Our government is undertaking massive restructuring of our country and our economy, including catastrophic levels of debt and unconstitutional deprivation of our rights and civil liberties. They are doing this over the objection of a majority of citizens, aided by the ignorance of millions of others. They are using propaganda, deflection and outright lies to turn us against one another and distract us from their machinations.
You probably tell yourself you wouldn't have helped the Nazis, the Bolsheviks or the Khmer Rouge. You like to think you're wise to those who would manipulate you.
Are you?
If you're asked to exclude your fellow citizens from your place of business unless they're vaccinated, will you do it? If you are asked to fire employees who have had COVID or who have concerns about the vaccines, will you do it? If you are told that you'll lose your medical license unless you perform abortions, will you do it? If you are asked by the FBI to turn in names of people you think disagree with you politically, will you do it?
You've been told that millions of your countrymen — your friends, neighbors and co-workers — are "white supremacists" and "domestic terrorists. " Do you believe it? Because if you do believe that, what won't you do if asked?
you are welcome
Zerohedge and frontpagemag are two of my favorite editorial sites worth reading
Trolls will downvote because they can and some people will google them and find a propagandist calls them "far right" then downvote this comment without reading one article .... that tells you how screwed this country is.
As the article said: The Divided States of America. Rome is burning.
Interesting that the faq on the topic just said "non-compliant personel will be informed directly" which a bit of different than the usual warning that punishments can be "up to and including termination". I guess we'll hear what gets doled out before too long.
@1lch and those who think the same way , is there any action you would consider too extreme in the fight against the spread of this “deadly disease” ?
At this point it’s not about science, it’s about compliance. It’s really amazing how the left has gone from “ Don’t trust anyone over 30” and “Mother should I trust the government “ posters to blind obedience.
I’m more worried about the deadly disease of complete control than I am of COVID.
Now watch your daily dose of codswallop and prepare for the next mandatory action done for your own good.
If you want to spend your life fighting against the vaccines for covid, so be it. Your job choices will be greatly reduced, you won't be able to travel internationally, you won't be able to do anything in cities like New York, I could go on and on. We are in a global pandemic and I would think your energies should be focused on trying to reduce the spread of this deadly disease rather than fighting it.
Do you miss him yet?
Easy to pick out the supporters of Totalitarianism.
"Good.
You don't like the policy find anther job. I'm sure there are plenty out there.
Your body, your choice! "
@lys+1dkrmkXG - You're absolutely correct, that the way out of this cannot ignore the role of naturally acquired immunity. If naturally acquired immunity doesn't work at all, then medically induced immunity cannot work either since it relies on the body responding to a perceived infection and creating anti-bodies in response to that.
Good.
You don't like the policy find anther job. I'm sure there are plenty out there.
Your body, your choice!
That will be apparent when we still need to perform a self attestation, wear masks, and social distance when we return. In other words - NO CHANGE. Sounds like we need a better shot!
@xio+1dkrmkXG- sure they may catch covid but the mortality rate for children is neligible. Quit buying into the fear that's being sold wholesale.
People in general are horrible at estimating actual risk, that's why actuaries exist and are well paid.
@uzo+1dkrmkXG You are the one that is totally mistaken. Even kids get covid. Perhaps you should stay up with the current news. If you don't want to get vaccinated, quit. Quit whining about it on a layoff site! No wonder you're here.
Well, it all comes back to what the family wants to do. Forget the layers of the bureaucracy, it will come down to what Bill Ford wants. He has the decision to comply or not comply. Vaxers rejoice if you get what you want. However be advised what this is opening the door to. I will leave you all with this by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller:
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
You are correct ,@uwl. Biden gave an option for weekly testing. Companies who mandate vax or termination are flexing their muscles to remind employees that ultimately they are just property despite all their posturing about values.
Unconditional surrender , capitulate or starve, turn in your neighbor. But it makes them feel good about themselves , they are saving all of us.
@ocf - No, you're totally mistaken and you should stop being afraid of pandemic where the healthy & young are at no significant risk and that the mortality demographics exactly match the life expectancy of our aging population.
Everyone should have already been vaccinated by now. It's the only door out of the pandemic.
Just think of all the VSSA money they saved.
Almost like they knew a mandate was coming…
OSHA could have settled this a month ago if it was so critical. They’re gathering feedback from the unions and corporate leaders to decide what they can get away with.
Purely a hissy fit back door move on the part of the party in charge.
Today Ford of Canada mandated vaccines for all hourly and salaried employees, so I'm sure we are next.
I hate to say it, but companies are probably going to go above and beyond what Biden said would be mandated. Boeing has flat out rejected testing and just let people go. States can mandate more than federal like "anyone who works with anyone outside of their household has to be vaxxed". It's bull and I don't agree, but people need to be prepared with "get it or you're gone". People putting religious exemptions are also getting shot down because "they are not targeting one religion or group of people, so it's not discrimination". I'm sorry but I think there's no real way other than proven medical exemption that people will get out of it. I know people who put religiously exempt, but got the flu shots and HR apparently has reached out with them and their people leaders to discuss why they felt they could get a flu shot but not a covid shot. They're looking for reasons, anything to save money, why not let those who don't get vaxxed get cut... Again not that I agree, but that's what they're thinking and doing.