Is it me or is inclusivity getting worst? I’m an experience hire and a minority female who moved to a new department. Noticed I’m not invited to meetings that I should be invited to. Neither are some of the newer people. Should I speak up and insist that I be included? Or leave it alone since atmosphere is rather gloom and doom.
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@czz Not really-actually they prefer men who act like men. We have this lady from India she gets all she wants because she is a Robat with no emotions. The worst part is that she doesnt know anything about fundamentals of engineering but great rankings...
The Good Old Girl Network is alive and well. Started with all those mentoring efforts back in 2007-2010 where young woman started getting identified. Older ambitious woman who were not going above FLS started fawning over the chosen ones and making sure that the king/queen makers saw them "supporting" the chosen girls. Used that to forward their careers. So it was just the same old cr-p only in skirts this time and I am not sure either gender really saw any headway.
@3zyq+1dUfVKzw - kind of agree with you regarding Ol' Girls Network...it is some sort of nepotism as well, but use gender bias...if the company want to talk about meritocracy, they should people who are qualified, and not based on gender or races...the only thing is that you should provide equal access to all, and not doing it behind close doors...
EM has aggressively promoted women in the last two decades, which can be seen both as good (because there were almost no women in management before) and bad, because it required promoting selectively women.
There definitely used to be and Ol’ Boys Network. Now we also have an Ol’ Girls Network. There are women in position of responsibility who judge people based on what they have done “to promote women in the workplace”, as if promoting women is a goal in itself.
Things are more complicated than they seem and two wrongs never make a right, although you may be more familiar with a particular, long lived wrong.
Exxon has many entitled men that are used to working in a 100% male company. They see even a few females and start complaining about how woke the company has become and how they have quotas for women. Like the guy who wrote this: “Management promotes unqualified and/or undeserving people to supervisory positions to satisfy HR targets and show that inclusion and diversity is valued. “ What a joke. They promoted a few incompetent women to join the ranks of the equally incompetent men at the top, and some of the incompetent men can’t stand the competition. Exxon generally promotes the incompetent, whether men or women. That’s why the company is floundering. I’m glad I left.
I think EM is as inclusive as most large companies today. Maybe you are just dealing with persons trying to protect their territory by not including you. That could be more related to forced ranking induced behavior than race related.
Be assertive and ask to be included. If that not work, discuss with supervisor but not bring up race unless absolutely sure.
Who complains about not going to a meeting? Got to be a fake post
@1kki+1dUfVKzw yeah maybe lower/mid tier careers you will see the most of woman and minorities. But upper management and executives are usually white. Maybe that's why XOM is going down heh
Regarding race and gender, EM has become a Woke corporation. This started over 20 years ago and has gotten progressively worse over time. In general, women and minorities at EM have an advantage over white males. Management promotes unqualified and/or undeserving people to supervisory positions to satisfy HR targets and show that inclusion and diversity is valued. In addition, rating and ranking results are manipulated to meet forced distribution criteria. Reverse discrimination is real and detrimental to bottom line results.
I’m so tired of hearing the victim mentality. Get for real and get to work!
Don’t tell yourself you are a victim. This is a very detrimental mindset to take. We all get sidelined sometimes. Just learn from it and work harder.
Haven’t seen this much vitriol for a post here in a while.
- Get yourself a mentor that knows some of the folks in the group.
- Invite yourself to the meetings if you think you can contribute.
- White people at the company are very afraid of nonwhite people taking over until they get to know them personally. They make up all kinds of reasons to hide that racism exists and has a negative affect on nonwhite people.(See comments above)
Plot twist, the meetings are at the Church.
Hmmm … so if you don’t get anything you want that’s supports your career ambition, then make it out to be a case of discrimination (on gender, race, or otherwise)?
This is so damningly clear that it’s all about your false sense of entitlement - predicated on the fact that you are a minority female!
Now tell me (and I look askance), is there such a birth right given, anywhere else in the world? Certainly not where I come from!
Prior to the layoffs it was beginning to look like Exxonmobil was a diversity and inclusion company that dabbled in oil and gas. D&I was mentioned/indoctrinated constantly, and one got a sense that people were thinking of the company as some sort of commune where a job was a god -given right & people worked when they felt like it (with group hugs interspersed) and got paid 6 figures for doing it.
Work ethic, professional excellence, THEN D&I, in that order, not the reverse.
You think it is possible that you and others aren’t invited to meetings is because you are are actually supposed to be doing actual work? You seem like the type who wants to go to every meeting whether you need to or not and not work past 40 hours each week and then use the meetings as a reason you don’t do any actual work.
Ever consider that you are incompetent, have nothing to contribute during meetings and you were hired only because you are a minority female and check two of the I&D boxes? If you went to a third tier school or a fourth tier HBCU then most likely you only check the boxes. You should say sc--w EM and go work for a minority woman run company, are there any?
Always the case when a minority or woman can’t do the job it’s racism or sexism and not them.
Consider that due to the I&D push at most companies, others will always consider minorities and women unqualified for the job until they prove otherwise. You may think that’s unfair, but others think it is unfair that you got the job just to check an I&D box.
At least someone directed you to the Layoff board, OP.
That's a foot in the door.
There was, some time ago (probably 2012 iirc), life-sized cardboard effigies of high-performing female EM staff, lined up at regular intervals, along the “Bridge” in the old Fairfax office.
A good mix of mainly white girls, with some minorities … including an Asian.
That IMO, was an attempt to promote I&D, and was a precursor of the WIN movement.
I think it's better than it used to be. I'm a female who used to have all kinds of advances, inappropriate comments, guys asking me out in the field, suggesting I owe them something for working with me. Now not so much.
Well... I also gained 50 lbs, had 2 kids and got 15 yrs older.... 😕 Hard to say! I'm technical and there's often this whispered narrative of women are too d-mb to be strong technical leaders. Read the headline of the sports section to start a conversation about football or some cr-p and then they'll invite you to meetings! "How about them Astros!"
Your trying t make a big deal out of nothing. Do you really think you’ve been left of meeting because you are female minority…really
Fake post!
All the I&D initiatives being pushed over the past couple years are lip service. Minorities have always been treated poorly here. Move to a euro company like rds if you want any semblance of inclusion
My L2 is a non white female, my L3 is a white female, my L4 is a non white male, and my supervisor is a half white half Asian female. And all are located in the US.
I’m sure it’s bad in a lot of the company, since we are a Texas based company. But I wouldn’t say the entire company is evil.
Play the game. Say white people stuff. It's a loud mouth extrovert white male driven company. Show no empathy and talk about all the re----k things you buy
@jiu+1dUfVKzw You are hilarious. Another hater and probably in the bottom percentile. Why don’t you leave if EM is so bad🤔. They wouldn’t miss you.
Yes it has always been bad at exxon. A few years ago we had a inclusion and diversity plan. Trump stopped this by legislation and the i&d plan went away. I have seen the hiring of nothing but white people in our group. I work at a place with 95 % good old white boys. The manager only talks to the whites at my place and just says hi to the minorities if that. No diversity at ExxonMobil. Remember this if you are thinking about working here. Women, black,brown and Asian people beware if you are thinking about working here. Minorities are always treated badly at ExxonMobil unless the need a token. I have seen this for over twenty years. Most whites want to work forever at the white paradise. Most minorities want to leave asap at 55. All of our team leads and supervisors are white. When I asked for a position of power I was dismissed and I am a minority. I was definitely qualified but not considered. It is so unmotivating to work at such a place. I am stuck till 55 because I need the medical insurance. This is all true.
Yes it’s getting worse. ExxonMobil has lost most of its diversity in the last year.
Of course it’s due to your minority female status. That also affects your parking spot, the weather, and the place you have to stand in line at chick-fil-a.
Gal, if you wanna be noticed and get invited to meetings, you’d need to prove your substance first - especially an unknown newbie. Why even play the race and gender card, so early in the game?
You might win this battle, if you keep pushing … but you would likely lose the war.
I&D will end up being your lost cause!
I meant to say in my last post that I&D efforts were in overdrive during the good times and booms. All efforts stopped during the downturns and busts. Seems like when things get tough they go back to the good old white boys plan.
Historically at h-Exxon and XOM I&D efforts were put on overdrive. When the downturns and busts hit it was back to the white boys club. Sounds like history is repeating.
Girl you better learn how to ride. 8% pips mean you on your own. Minority has nothing to do with it. You better hustle, actually work and store pds bullets. This is the hunger games.
As usual, inclusion and diversity is just another propaganda in the company..it is all about the optics, honey! who cares if we are really live by it or mean it...as long as we are showing that we promote it...don't you know by now most of the people just pretend they care, so that they get extra point for the non-work related activities?
Like for most EMEA I&D event, most of the panelist will usually be white male/female...they forgot that they have MEA and not only E....my 2 cents...
You weren’t invited because 60% of the group is also new within the last year and no one knows who you are or who is even in the pertinent invite group…20% of the group does 98% of the work and will be ranked against you so they are better off not including you even if they know they should…20% of the meeting is most likely management who doesn’t care enough to make sure new people are invited because the 20% which does most of the work, management will take credit for regardless and be ranked high against their peers so no incentive to be inclusive of anyone that can’t benefit them (they don’t know who you are)…Most likely scenario:
Inclusivity based on race/gender has absolutely nothing to do with it.#winning
Being attractive helps.
I observed the same behavior happen to my wife when she transferred too. I find it appalling, but if you think you will get treated better by speaking up, I’m afraid you will be disappointed (as was my wife). WAEM behaviors are a fraud. The new assessment system is designed to screen for loyalty, not competence. This isn’t the company I used to work for. I’m sorry you are experiencing this, but I’m very pessimistic that things will change any time soon.
If you are the kind of person who feels it necessary to call out gender/minority status in an online forum called "layoffs"... I can guess why you are not invited to meetings.
dont listento the "good ole boys" comment. total pancake idea by that guy. anything is possible
Good luck getting a seat in the good old boys club. Either you're in it or you're not