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Thoughts on the "How we support technical careers in EMIT" meeting

  • Within a short amount of time, I found myself tuning out because it was the same old empty rhetoric, glittering generalities, and redundant verbosity
  • Gaslighting us by telling us that people are leaving because they want to "pursue their dream", which is utter nonsense. Attrition is so high because this place is a dumpster fire.
  • I've found that in meetings like this, you get presenters sharing their positive career path and experiences at XOM like it is evidence that the system works, and it is the same kind of thing that everyone across the board can experience. The reality is that there are relatively few who have the kind of rich, rewarding career that these people talk about. This has got to be some sort of logical fallacy: "I've had a wonderful career at XOM, therefore everyone can have one!"
  • Aside from a few people mentioning it briefly, there was very little acknowledgement or discussion of the giant elephant in the room; i.e., the rapid attrition of good people. Classic "if we don't acknowledge it, it doesn't exist and isn't a problem"
  • They're really emphasizing this laughable "IT Fellow" distinction like it is the best thing since sliced bread. Do they honestly think this is a legitimate benefit/reason to entice technical folks to stick around. Who gives a sh-t about this title. It is meaningless, the the few people that get the distinction are probably the same kind of people who thrive in the broken and rigged ranking system. It'll be fellows scratching the back of other fellows.
  • The "choose your own adventure" analogy to describe a technical career at XOM is utter horse sh-t. Again, there might be a (very) relatively small number of people who have this kind of experience, but the vast majority of people are subject to the will of their supervisor and the fu---d up S&D process.
  • They repeatedly shifted the blame of a sub-par career at XOM onto the victims (the employees working their as--s off). Typical abusive treatment and rhetoric. One can do everything within their power to get a role they want on a team they want to be on, but ultimately someone's career is in the hands of their supervisor and management.
  • This quote from the meeting explains life at XOM perfectly "...if nobody knows about your skill and achievements, it doesn't matter...". This same person (PB) went on to claim that most technical people at XOM neglect their personal networks. I disagree, technical folks just don't make building and babysitting their network a full time job like the numerous redundant layers of management across the organization. They're too busy getting actual work done so their "superiors" can take credit for their work (probably without their knowledge).
  • It was clear from the presentation that there is no place at XOM for the passionate, hard-working, reliable, technical, and talented _individual_ contributor. According to them, everybody needs to be a "contributes through others" type of person. Individual contributors, even if they are helping their team succeed in a smaller sphere of influence, will continue to get sh-t on.
  • "Contributes through others" is corporate-speak for "takes credit for the work of others, while contributing little to nothing to the actual completion of the work"
  • The fallback/catch-all answer to many of the questions, especially anything remotely challenging, was of course "have a conversation with your supervisor..." or "your supervisor should be doing/saying this...". What if your supervisor is an incompetent id--t? Then you're fu---d. Way too much power rests in the hands of supervisors at XOM. They have the ability to destroy a person's career.
  • I feel like you need to be a fu----g rocket scientist to understand the current "technical career system" and its many nuances, acronyms, etc.
  • If EMIT/XOM is doing so much for people with a desire for a rewarding technical career, why is the company brain-draining and losing so many incredible people?
  • I've stated it above already... but so much of a person's career is based on "supervisor roulette". If you get a bad one, you're fu---d.
  • The repeated falling back on "we're not perfect..." and "people aren't perfect..." and "the system isn't perfect..." got old very fast. Yes, it isn't perfect, and that is fine. Yes, management isn't perfect, and that is also fine. If the system and management/leadership were even remotely mediocre, we'd be in decent shape. But as we all know, that is NOT the case.
  • Another great quote "...if you want to advance, you have to play by the book...". Sounds about right. You don't advance by kicking a-s at your job, you have to "play by the book" (i.e., play the ranking game).

Anyone have any other thoughts?

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Post ID: @OP+1ch5yRh7

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If you are an IT person and work for ExxonMobil, you deserve the abuse. Go work for your own industry, or if it must be O&G or it must be Houston, go work for a more enlightened company. No sympathy from us petroleum engineers who, after all, do not have the kind of options you do.

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Post ID: @2vxz+1ch5yRh7

Plenty of technical jobs.....overseas. Check the postings. Houston will be just managers and product owners.

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Post ID: @2xyb+1ch5yRh7

Why would you want to stay in an organization who treats IT people like this? Many IT fellows are just supervisors or managers who simply fell off their executive track. They also look down on technical people like $hit on the floor. The main reason why we have Mulesoft is because the highly revered "architects" think EMIT can't code (ironically they can't really code well themselves, maybe the only projects they can code are hello world apps). Because they can't code,they think people need to use these subpar tools. It's natural for people who draw lines on Visio or PowerPoint to think people would be better off coding that way. The fact that the main security architect, fellow can only say no is also well known. Nonetheless, they are so well trusted re--rds who your managers insist they have to be ok with whatever you put forward, so you end up having to please them. That's another way of saying you have absolutely no trust from your managers, who know almost nothing and don't care about your work, in the first place.

What would make you stay? A masochistic satisfaction from being humiliated and losing your pride everyday?

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Post ID: @1zvq+1ch5yRh7

Having worked for the guy who gave the talk I can say he is the most purely political creature with the least hands on tech experience I ever knew. I doubt he has built anything more complex than a PowerPoint animation in his life.

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Post ID: @1ivo+1ch5yRh7

I can't stop laughing. It is the same person, everyone. Writing and praising his own posts. Totally nuts! Not a safe person to have on campus. NSI it is!

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Post ID: @ign+1ch5yRh7

There are no technical careers in EMIT. Carry on.

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Post ID: @zhv+1ch5yRh7

Brilliant posts. I am glad to see that EM still has plenty of *tards who are complaining about this post.
OP: Bravo! With your intellect and accuse observation abilities you better leave the company and find a place where you could excel. Remember you are surrounded by re--rds and if you don't leave soon, one day you will become one too.

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Post ID: @agp+1ch5yRh7

NSI

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Post ID: @fdh+1ch5yRh7

It looks like the person that posted the post, is the same person responding (same writing style). OP should reveal his identify so that we can Pip him next round. Is he writing these long posts on company time?

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Post ID: @huu+1ch5yRh7

The post is too long.

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Post ID: @hvy+1ch5yRh7

Finally someone brings this up, and what an incredibly good analysis... the best post ever. If I were to rank all the posts on this board, this one is Outstanding with Distinction.

I don't know what your recent meeting was like, but I attended one of the first talks when they first rolled this out a few months ago, and it was just so un-relatable. I signed up from the second one, listened to someone talk about how great their career has been for 2 mins, then I logged off to watch Netflix. I deleted all emails regarding tech career talks without even reading them.

My pet peeves when they get the successful fellows or architects to share their careers -

1) In-depth discussion and exposition of some successful person's career roadmap - Is anyone's career even replicable by others? Who can go back in time to be born in 1970 and hired in 1992, meet the same 5 great sponsors, and help build those SAP systems that cost the company hundred of $millions? If not, then who cares enough to listen to some stranger talk more than 2 mins about their career history?

2) Talking about what made them successful - Tell me your success isn't due to luck or being favored by some managers, and then we talk

3) Q&A about their experiences, then questions always come up on their most memorable or challenging roles - Complete waste of time to people who don't know them or are not their friends

Pre-COVID, many IT folks from Bangkok, Budapest and Curitiba people were expat in the US. How many expats were there due to technical expertise? The BKK folks were there because of Suda had clout, and for all of them, it was developmental because they are from GBCs, not because they are more technical than others. A lucky break, packaged as "technical career", is not a feasible career development path.

Plus, a technical career should not be reserved for a very small number of people (200 out of 4,000) who got lucky breaks to be expats to build networks, or become Fellows or Architects or STPs. Many technical people are content to be life-long analysts and developers, and grow their experience and expertise in their respective domains. Pre-2020, most IT folks retired in analysts roles. That used to be a very feasible technical career, and it was one that many of us looked forward to. But that isn't even possible now. Everyone who remain an analyst with no visibility at 35 will get PIP or HW3'd in the next couple of years.

3 years ago I chat with a very technical developer, who shared her frustration that she really enjoyed software development work, but if one is good, they are pushed to a coordinator role - scrum master or RTE or Architect. If they don't want to be coordinator, if they want to expand technical depth and not be an architect (who are do a lot of coordination work), their career is dead. Because not one supervisor or manager appreciate good developers... it is all deemed "outsource-able to MSP". In EMIT it is all about step-outs, coordination and visibility. This developer was eventually moved to a more visible Agile role that she didn't want, and she quit a few months later. This is why the technical career is dead in EM. Because there is truly no technical career path for the 3,800 who are not in that small group of folks who got lucky breaks. Not because we haven't heard enough about fellows or architects, or their memorable assignments... to be very honest, we really could care less

I apologize for the TL;DR rant, but I don't understand why so many of us who are low CL and paid less than $100k, far away from Houston, can see so clearly what is wrong, and many have left in droves. But the CL28+ managers think it's a good idea to push these tech career talks to convince people to stay. These talks are useless to address the issue and a colossal waste of time and energy

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Post ID: @qno+1ch5yRh7

Probably best post I’ve ever read on this site. Well done OP

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Post ID: @vcf+1ch5yRh7

If they assign you to the Y2K Project, then the end is near.

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Post ID: @dpy+1ch5yRh7

What is going on is that there is little left to work given asset sales and failure of three projects from the upstream strategy. This new strategy is protect my management or VP job by outscoring what real technical work that remains to low cost centers like KL and India.

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Post ID: @jtc+1ch5yRh7

Here is an idea: quit ranking technical professionals against young a$$ kissing $hitheads with VP sponsors. $hitheads with sponsorship cover top 3 rank buckets and no matter how good the professionals are-they are left in bottom 2 buckets with no appreciation or reward.
Even if a sponsored $hithead destroys everything he touches, the right sponsorship gives immunity.

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Post ID: @spo+1ch5yRh7

This is one of the best post I’ve seen in a while, besides the guy not happy with his flights to Alaska :-). Just kidding, I like the points behind made.

After yesterday’s meeting, I inquired about my potential and then the secrecy surrounding it. It would be nice to know if I’m near my XOM potential for it’ll help with any decision to leave. Don’t worry, it was another conversation lacking any answers.

As for the attrition, I have to wonder if something else is going on. Is XOM preparing for a “merger” where they’ll bring on extra staff from another company or are they realizing short term gains at the expense of everything else? Something big is going on, I’d bet on it.

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Post ID: @opc+1ch5yRh7

OP is quite right about technical careers. I have seen the same discussion for technical careers in EMRE. Senior technical roles are often given to people that have advanced through management while the type that “contributes” through others is clearly visible - the person that shows up in meetings, takes part of the credit for themselves and moved up (a couple of executive level folks right now). And this “look at my career” BS!

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Post ID: @rlr+1ch5yRh7

I'm not working in EMIT, so I might have a wrong view, but it seems like the “strategy” in EMIT is to outsource most of the activity to MSPs in cheap labour locations. In that case, why even bother trying to retain employees? Or maybe it's a purely cynical tactic: retain as much internal technical skills as possible until the new model is up and running. Happy to get some lights on this.

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Post ID: @dkx+1ch5yRh7

Don’t take technical career advice from leadership that are now just going through basic cloud trainings (hint look at how loud modern cloud adoption has been around). Or can’t print a simple hello world statement.

I suggest they figure out what to do fast as everyone’s leaving for 20%+ increase in pay for IT first companies with better culture.

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Post ID: @vnn+1ch5yRh7

All utter nonsense. Don’t believe any of what they spew because I’m an example. I brought up going back to a technical assignment multiple times, even showing a portfolio of work that I’ve done in my previous assignment and free time. What does my boss do? Puts me in a new non-technical assignment telling me I need to prove my technical skills more. I’m not the only one that’s experienced this. They’re on their own agenda of “business need” first and you’re either with it or your not.

Complete clowns.

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Post ID: @kga+1ch5yRh7

Ahhh, "realignment". You're definitely management material.

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Post ID: @lzh+1ch5yRh7

TL;DR - OP needs to speak to their supervisor, a realignment is desperately needed in this case.

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Post ID: @aqb+1ch5yRh7

Your third point is a perfect example of survivorship bias.

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