If you are put in the NSI group and you are retirement eligible are you offered PIL and be able to retire after three months? Just wondering what the options are. I was in the good category last ranking and I just want to be prepared because I do not trust anything that management is telling me.
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@1mym – i’m the 57 m–year old. I’m not asking for your sympathy or for anyone else’s. I also don’t need your attitude. Go f*** yourself. I pray that you’re NSI’d this year.
Im in same age bracket and have a lot of sympathy for the 57 yo who got whacked and lost a few hundred thousand in his pension. The deal with Exxon has always been they'll pay us better than industry standard with good extra pay as the situation fits, but, we have to put up with the sh!t. The "supervisors" we are actually helping to train, the long hard hours to keep production up, missed graduations, weddings, funerals, compromising marriages and families, etc. Now at the end of that long road to have it yanked just plain s*cks. That wasn't the deal. Would have been much better working at an 8–5 job where people can whine about having to work on an evening or a Saturday and generally have a nice cushy time. Totally different culture. The real problem here is that the Company wants to be more competitive, but, has no vision on the corresponding culture to match. Cant have it both ways.
The whole point of the oversized MLRPs in 2020 and 2021, together with the new “assessment” system through which anybody can be put in NSI as needed, is to target the Retirement Eligible and the NRE as they gradually become REs.
These two categories (RE and NRE) are those that could not be targeted through the layoff and are considered “too expensive”. You might have noticed that pretty much everybody in the lower management who was RE suddenly and unexpectedly chose to join the voluntary plan, although many of them were not 60 yet and did not previously show any intent to retire – they were told to “jump” and they jumped.
The rank and file REs (who do not “jump” when told so) are said to represent as much as 30% of the people put in NSI in 2020 (obviously, the exact number is a big secret). Note that no RE in their right mind would take the PIP, so they are not represented in the high PIP passing rate.
In order to avoid lawsuits for age discrimination, those put in the NSI have to be mixed with younger employees, to get a credible ratio. That explains why the passing rate for the PIP is unusually high – the target are those over 55, not so much the younger ones. The PIP is very time–consuming for the company and toxic for morale. To have an oversized MLRP and then to pass 90% of those put in PIP makes no sense; purging the REs is the reason behind the entire scheme. The cycle was completed by the layoff of those approaching 50 and therefore NRE status, which eliminates future NREs and REs. Today, for the remaining REs the only chance not to be thrown out via NSI in 2021 is that there are limited places (can’t be more than about 30% of the 8% put in NSI). On the other hand, there are so few REs left that they might all fit in that 30%.
It’s interesting to note that corporate trolls have been very active in the last few weeks, as you can see from some of the very rude and definitely not intelligent postings below. I’m sure it’s not a coincidence, it’s most likely an organized response to the the new wave of outrage that was sparked by the announcement of the 2021 oversized MLRP. In the same category of response is the misleading and ridiculous claim by HR that 90% passed the PIP.
The obnoxious postings will obviously not convince anyone, so it’s a complete waste of time, but that’s the way EM “leadership” deals with any problem.
To the 57 year old. You have made more money than most out there over your career. You also have a sweet pension (sorry it’s not 100%, precious) that less than 10% of non–gov. people have. Count yourself lucky and stop b–itchin.
OP we wish they fire you quickly without any severance.
Yours truly
- DW
@dlj – yep. That happened to me. 57 years old, 32 years service. Retirement eligible, but couldn’t afford to lose 15% of my pension (who could ?)
Never anywhere the bottom of the ranking, but suddenly there (with no explanation) in July 2020. Even though I was doing the job of 2 other people as well as my own – and have my 3rd straight year of glowing feedback from knowledgeable others – I was told that I was NSI and had 4 options: PIP, PIL+Resign, PIL+Retire, or work 3 months then retire.
I heard too many indications that PIP was set up to fail, plus my supervisor had no idea what the plan would be or whether the other involved parties would even be willing to let me “broaden my role” into their areas. Therefore I took the PIL and retirement to preserve my options for medical, dental and pension treatment.
I don’t know who in their right mind would think: “No – it’s OK. Despite you treating me like sh!t, I’ll carry on working for 3 months instead of getting the same salary for free”
I am 60 and NRE. Believe me when I say "I'm doing the bare assed minimum to keep from being terminated for cause ". They would be much better off granting me retirement status and letting me go riding of into the sunset.
@dlj+1ary1YJs I knew of at least 1 person under 60 but over the 15/55 eligibility that was “voluntold to retire”. This was in the US. I also know several Canadians that “retired” per announcement but were actually let go.
I am retirement eligible but not 60 yet and I would like to work until early next year. Did they force out anyone that is eligible but not 60 by using NSI? I really would not mind getting a PIL and retiring. I used to put serious thought into my PDS/EADS and cared about my ranking. This management team has destroyed the morale of this company and they only have themselves to blame. I think most folks would have accepted a layoff with a reasonable severance package in line with our competition. The new round of NSI layoffs will only add to the low morale. So sad to see the state of this once good company that I was proud to work for. I really feel for folks in their 40's that have close to twenty years invested with this company. Staying must be a very difficult decision.
Yes. I had someone in your situation, and that is exactly what happened. Retirement date is the end of the PIL.
More “if I”......THEN I would leave EM. Isn’t it funny how so many posters encourage you to quit, and how many claim their life is so much better since leaving EM, yet they come back to this site over and over to complain about EM?
When people continue to push you to take actions that they won’t take themselves, does that not cause you to pause and question their intent and honesty?
EM has plenty of problems, but don’t be deceived or goaded by people who you don’t know and for whom you have no idea of their true intentions.
So many conversations and posts are completely fake, including the votes up and down. You don’t take advice from telemarketers do you? What makes you think those types of people with dishonest intentions don’t prey on people here?
Think for yourself. Evaluate your own situation. Do what is best for you.
No, it just means you are protected from Involuntary separation for performance unless it’s an issue like not showing up at work or drugs/alcohol. You’ll just be assessed poorly going forward and then told to retire at earliest possible eligibility. If I was NRE and offered PIL and retiree status I’d leave immediately as would many others, EM can’t absorb that amount of attrition (yet).