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IBM Systems vs IBM Cloud & Cognitive

I have seen recently in many internal job listings that good positions required applicants from IBM C & CS.

Is there any importance left for Systems group? Also, I have seen systems people are paid little compared to cloud & cognitive.

Why is such discrimination among two business units within the same company?

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ibm has ceased to be a tech company for a long time. it's a (failed) financial engineering experiment.

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Post ID: @4fmo+1adFtKJJ

Sorry but a tech company that "can’t afford to invest in innovation" as someone posted below, is not long for this world. Remainco needs to cut the dividend, divest additional non-performant legacy businesses, and then invest in growth not just talk about it. That's the only way forward.

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Post ID: @4skv+1adFtKJJ

I really wanted to weigh in on the Scale/HPE comments here but I really can't without breaching confidentiality. So I will just have to satisfy myself with saying that everybody posting about that deal knows nothing at all about it.

"Those who know, don't say. Those who say, don't know".

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Post ID: @3iaq+1adFtKJJ

It’s a pretty good prediction Rob has mostly legacy products that are fading quite quickly. ROsamillia will keep Z, and farm the IP. It would not surprise me, if he also gets to Len in on the labs and their innovation for Z and hybrid cloud. That should be enough to keep the EVP title

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Post ID: @3mqz+1adFtKJJ

As I said “farm the IP” What did HPE license? IP That’s where AK’s head is at when it comes to Power and storage Wave goodbye to the HW Who ever wants IBM’s market share HW wise will license the IP to gain access to that share IBM can’t afford to invest in innovation, so it’s licensing it’s past innovation and moving on

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Post ID: @3fbk+1adFtKJJ

So earlier this week HPE announced integration of IBM's Spectrum Scale into their portfolio. Is this a tell as to where IBM storage may be going?

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Post ID: @3ygy+1adFtKJJ

IBM has no interest in investing exclusively in HW innovation going forward. It’s all about how to optimize legacy OS’s to play in a Hybrid Cloud infrastructure. Redhat is HW agnostic. IBM’s strategy going forward is to farm the IP. That’s where the money and profits are at. Power HW and Storage HW have been shopped and IBM knows what their market value is. AK now has to decide if he wants to spin them off. Z is viewed differently in Armonk due to its monopoly positioning. Repeat after me Redhat is HW agnostic That should show you the way forward that IBM is pursuing when it comes to systems. IBM has to pick where to invest its innovation dollars, and commodity HW just doesn’t make the bar anymore.

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Post ID: @3pzl+1adFtKJJ

A large group of people have left power in Austin for AMD and Nvidia. Both companies are being very selective and arepicking specific high end talent out of power hardware and software. Same for AWS and Apple.

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Post ID: @3nfo+1adFtKJJ

I've heard they can't find people atleast in power and same thing will happen with whole systems when lot of people retire out of Z. They're gonna have tough time retaining anyone

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Post ID: @1nae+1adFtKJJ

Conversely, when my group in Systems is hiring (and we are), the listings are only open to people in Systems - at least initially.

I have been told that this is an IBM policy: for the time being, a job has to be offered only to people already in the same BU. Only after a defined period can it be extended beyond the BU or (eventually) to outside hire.

In fact, we have recently acquired a couple of managers from Cloud, and lost a couple of useful people to them.

So sorry, no elaborate conspiracy theory here

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Post ID: @1uew+1adFtKJJ

Can confirm

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Post ID: @1wwt+1adFtKJJ

Systems is held hostage by "mafia". Most of the money goes into exec pockets and to be fair there's additional cost of manufacturing.

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