It made me laugh to tears when I read that post, but it’s really the best strategy here: don’t pretend to be very smart and by no means show everything you know unless you want to be overwhelmed with work.
It was my biggest mistake when I just got the job here and wanted to prove myself. Once you make that mistake, it’s over.
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@9sxm where are you and your friends working now?
My friends and I did this. After 1-2 years working at Intel, we knew better than to stick around long term. We used Intel to pay for our grad degrees (when it did for Stanford a while back), did mediocre work as we studied and after we graduated, booked it out of there ASAP. My friend doesn't even list Intel as a working experience from 10+ years ago. Only the MBB consulting firm that he worked for afterwards, which Intel executives paid $$$ to tell them what to do. "Virtuous Cycle of Growth" anyone?
We would joke later that we should start a frothy AI company and sell it to Intel because it was one of the only tech companies big enough and dumb enough to throw money at vaporware AI startups. Cisco was the other one. And lo and behold, Nervana was acquired and proved our point. Too bad BK isn't the CEO anymore, he was the sugar daddy for 3rd tier tech startups. Apparently he was also the literal sugar daddy for some of those Accelerated Leadership Program folks.
Stupid people are working with Bain consultants to come up with the most stupid ideas that cause intel lose millions of dollars year after year. In a company like intel where everything is managed tops down through exec forums, the same group of attention seeking BOZOS and their circle of friends are leading every strategic effort presented to the executives. These people prevent others, God forbid, to access to top management. They really guard access to the top management.
They want to get attention and receive rewards and promos for themselves and their friends. This is the issue. Every year, some id–ts cook up horrible, most id–tic ideas and then run a large group of their friends and Bain multiple months to create the most id–t studies for ELT and the board. Funny thing they hide these slides from others as if the slides have tremendous insights. Quite the contrary, they often include the most id–tic, cliche ideas. I would be ashamed to show it to a class of MBAs, let alone our board. Clowns. What do you expect? Garbage in garbage out. How does this continue? Because id–ts are constantly promoted, with no or negative value, some reach to ELT status and the circus continues....I hope the new CEO breaks down this madness.
If you have seen this year’s promotions you would agree. The only thing that matters is friends and family and being able to participate in one of the dog and pony shows to the exec team. Results my a–. Failures, bigger the better. A– kissing. And some social insights anthropology mumbo jumbo. Who would have thought anthropology is the ticket for fellowship at intel. Too bad for studying science and engineering...
It's not so much showing that you're smart... it's objecting or raising a red flag when managers launch a doomed plan. THAT is the kiss of death. Why Intel is failing is because no one objects to bad ideas. Hundreds of millions and years wasted on brain-dead acquisitions, crazy schemes dreamed up by Bain consultants and all the rest. Lots of people know that the plans are stupid. They just won't say anything.
Throwing government money at things results in the companies like NorthropGrumman or the multitude of others which produce lots of high tech with little real innovation. The best don't go to does places to make great products. Yeah what a future for that once great company Intel. Look at the government subsidized industry and name one where the pace, ingenuity was there, brute force, lots of waste and you get it out late and over budget
Indeed ARM is coming on 5nm for the cloud, dang you can already see how ARM based M1 makes Intel look like a joke and the M1X is coming on 5nm and next year 3nm is coming for both.
AMD x86 is coming on 5nm soon.
Where the F*** is Intel oh yeah 14++++++++ and maybe someday they'll get some 10+++++ superfine someday, and you know 7nm ain't coming anytime soon.
Intel product groups only hope is to go to Samsung or TSMC as TMG is total joke and FUBAR
PG will try and act like the second coming and talk a good talk, he does know how to talk a good talk and everyone wants to believe, but sadly he can't change business or technology himself, and don't forget his MS from Stanford was work-study, any monkey can get in and get one of those.
Pat worked his way up, and is legit. The real question is, can he turn the ship around?
He must have made some bad financial decisions, if he still needs to work at his age. No amount of money is worth a heart attack. Seeing how many talents joined (and left) Intel on a short notice, I am sure that pat will not make it to the end of the 2022. By mid 2022, new ARM HPC designs are going to be out.
If you take a look at Intel's tech leadership in the US, they are most staffed with engineering grads from 3rd tier engineering universities. You reap what you sow. Intel hasn't tried to recruit from the universities that Moore, Noyce, and Grove came from for a long time. Because it knew that those students were too smart to accept a c-ap offer from Intel. So when Sandra said that Intel will replenish its engineering talent by doing the same thing it always does, by recruiting from the top tech universities, I just laughed. Good luck Pat, you are gonna need it.
I agree with most comments except "Intel will not survive much longer". Intel and semiconductor manufacturing is a matter of national security that US will not lose. So the govt/congress and if reqd CIA will intervene to make sure Intel survives.
But yes, it will be on chemo.
Their engineers must think Intel is very good corp. Pat Gelinger get paid over 100 million dollars while you guys work slave for him to make another bonus on top
He will benefit more than anyone but the point is you have to burn your brain "brain drain" to accomplish his goal.
Tell me will he work at INTEL without the 100 million dollars a year salary!????????? why dont he take less than 10 million dollars like other CEO? I said Pat USED all their engineers
Could not agree more! I should know earlier...
this is exactly what guarantees Intel won't survive much longer
that's why surviving Intelier works smart, not work hard
smart a–, dumb a– or bad a–, whichever they are can survive if they know the rules
Being technically competent at Intel is a massive liability. It ensures political PE's will steal your work and non-technical managers will back their pets in case you ever complain to HR.
Intel is a treadmill or hamster wheel. Let's face it–just because you design CPUs does not make you smart, it just makes you hardworking. If you are really hardworking at Intel, people will constantly ask you for help and you will end up working maybe at least 3x-4x harder than the regular people,and you will do all their work for them (for 5-10 people) but you will only get 5%-10% raise. Being smart at Intel is a huge risk and most likely will not help your career. If management finds out you have some special skill, you can kiss goodbye all weekends, sabbatical, and vacations until the work gets done. It does not really make financial sense to be smart or hard working at Intel. Don't ever admit to having knowledge to a manager. Let's face it, at Intel 10% of people do 90% of the work. It is easy to get in the top 10% at Intel if you have a pulse, a brain, and make any effort at all. But whether you want to reach that level is more personal decision, it is definitely debatable whether it is worth working much harder (helping out your colleagues 90% of whom are cluefully impaired) to get no financial reward.
Lol but in reality you wouldn't last long. Why? Just because you would stick out. The status quo is appearing to be highly capable and failing to deliver.