Thread regarding Ford layoffs

Creep reports on Ford’ decision to pick Mexico vs US

Ford Motor Co. "has decided it will not honor its promise" to add new product to the Ohio Assembly Plant in Avon Lake and, instead, the autoworker intends to farm out jobs to Mexico, wrote a top UAW leader to union officials in an angry two-page letter dated Friday.

Great way to alienate even more F-150 buyers in the US. Not so good for Ford optics in media and public.

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For the record, the new plant in Mexico (now cancelled) was to be built for the Bronco Sport. When Ford decided to cancel the Fusion since they can't make any money on them, they moved the Bronco Sport to Hermosillo to keep that plant running. DPS6 had nothing to do with it.

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Post ID: @ftmi+19T9O8ml

Somebody said unions don't have much leverage anymore. Is that why teachers unions can tell Joe Biden they are gonna stay home and get paid while non unionized private school teachers are working? Seems like unions have a lot of leverage to me.

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Post ID: @3bti+19T9O8ml

@3dnb

What? Unions don't have much leverage anymore?

Is that why Biden and Pelosi just printed about 2 trillion dollars to bail out teachers unions, municipal unions, state unions in blue states that spent themselves into the ground so they don't need to default on their pensions and other liabilities?

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Post ID: @3iuf+19T9O8ml

I agree with the previous post 100%. Ford, like any company, must turn a profit to stay in business. They must satisfy Wall St and their shareholders. The post also says this isn't about politics, very true. It doesn't matter if Trump or Biden is in office, it would happen anyway.

The UAW, as nearly all unions, have been irrelevant for nearly 40 years. Ever since President Reagan broke the air traffic controllers strike (PATCO) back in the early 80's, unions have been in decline. Not much leverage anymore.

The economic landscape is constantly changing. While this deal looked good back in 2019, it may not be feasible now.

As far as Ford losing sales over this, not gonna happen. If someone wants to buy a new F-150 truck, this decision will not change their mind. People, especially those with money, could care less where an item is produced as long as they get what they want.

A long time ago, former Russian premier Nikita Khrushchev once said "treaties are made to be broken."

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@2rxi+19T9O8ml

I guess the site moderator started this policy/started enforcing the policy January 20, 2021. Look back in old posts on this site and you will see that wasn't enforced for the previous 4 years. Just another example of "One set of rules for one group of people and one set of rules for everyone else". Separately, on the subject of layoffs, we all know they are coming; we just don't know when. And that process was done so fairly and equitably last time. Who on this site actually thinks it will be different this time around?

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@1kfe+19T9O8ml

Yeah, I think the site moderator just wants to keep the topic about Layoff at Ford. If people change the subject to who is in political office or which politician is at fault they will delete the post. I'm sure if we went to a political site and posted messages about Ford Management losing company money and causing layoffs, those posts would get deleted from the political site.

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Post ID: @2rxi+19T9O8ml

Didn't know this thread/site removes posts ......

This site is removing many posts and tracking who post.

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Post ID: @1kfe+19T9O8ml

Not sure why this is such a surprise. They have been sending high pay supporting white collar jobs from engineering & purchasing for 3 years all with the goal to move production to MX. Quite frankly, at the rate they are going, not sure who they think will be in the new Dearborn campus. They are planning and staffing a huge tech campus in MX.

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Post ID: @1cqb+19T9O8ml

Bill Ford in the town hall: "We are one big Ford family, whether hourly or salaried." Bill Ford at the country club with his cronies "As long as we keep the plant open, muhahaha." So Biden or Trump, the company has been on the slide even when the economy was booming pre-covid. So much opportunity lost from 2014-2019. Anybody catch the drop in stock due to the 2billion in bonds issued? Just how screwed are we really?

As for the Trump effect, it only goes so far. You have to remember that the Ford family didn't like him, so could see them going through with it anyways. GM closed Lordstown in the same manner. The plant that Fields cancelled in Mexico had nothing to do with Trump, it was a product thats reputation was ruined by the DPS6 debacle, and made the company no money in North America since it existed. Building it in Mexico still wasn't worth it because the nameplate was destroyed. Ford just spun it as Made in Americuh, the reality is irreparable damage was done to the Focus.

As for the UAW, if that is the best your leadership can do is offer a "I'm mad at you" message, God help you. But again what do you expect? They got bribed by a bunch of slick goombas at FCA, so you would have to be fool to spend any dues on that trash. Gone are the days of them waging war and standing up to for worker. All the people in charge just line their pockets and give the illusion of collective bargaining.

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Post ID: @1omk+19T9O8ml

@bom+19T9O8ml

It is not just the UAW pay, try working as a QE in the plants. We have to tip toe around an obstacle course of UAW rules, and speak VERY CAREFULLY about quality issues. The simplest quality issues take a great deal of time to resolve. NON UAW plants quality issues get resolved much more efficiently.

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Post ID: @fvi+19T9O8ml

If the UAW aka U ain't working wasn't so greedy and demanding every handout from the company or go on strike this doesn't surprise me. All of your signing bonuses and guaranteed profit sharing when quality is in the tank. Maybe next contract they will all think maybe we can give a little and not money grab everything they can. S— it up Buttercups

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Post ID: @bom+19T9O8ml

Stop the nonsense, It is not about politics. Ford (117 years old) will do what ever it can (and has) to make money. That is what we are about. If profitable, they will make deals with any country on the planet to stay (or get) profitable. The UAW is only relevant in the US, no where else. Who really cares. If BEV sales (data monetization) in Europe and Asia explode in the next 10 years (as expected) they will focus all of their development on those regions. Eventually, the only difference in all BEV's vehicles worldwide will be the Tophats.

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Post ID: @dax+19T9O8ml

Freep: Detroit Free Press.

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