Reading through so many topic threads, seems like Ford has a serious problem with their experienced employees. That they have abused and treated them so poorly, the "Ford Family" PR cache is a thin news veneer that hides the legions of employees harboring wounds inflicted from CEOs of the past. That they will now let Ford swing in the wind as their quality falls because the execs are in love with youth and abuse their experience. That the fast talking 'salesman' types con the execs with their fake adoration and idiocy. Sad thing is they are now scoring at the bottom and still too stupid to see what is right in front of their face and therefore incapable to change course and fix things.
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@1hzl+190JFiEV "Engineers are forced to act the same way or get cut"
I am an engineer. Years ago, I used to pushed away all the silly meetings. If I saw the meeting didn't have anything to do with me, I'd ask why I was needed there, and if I didn't get the right answer, I'd drop because I had more important things to do. Until I was reprimanded because of it. The way it was phrased was that meetings are included in my responsibilities (almost sounded as it was the most important part of my day). Now I accept all the meeting invites, even when I know I am not really needed there, and spend a few hours every day in meetings (Some days up to 6 hours in boring meetings).
How's the technical part? Just fine, always behind schedule, playing catch up, but now I look good because I got meetings to "prove" that I am actually "working". Like right now, posting here while in another boring meeting.
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Experienced engineer. I make sure when something is wrong it gets reported. Has it affected my upward mobility? Without a doubt, but I am an "engineer" before some company yes man. People like me are outnumbered 2-3x, so we get to be the punching bag employees (not in public forum however, in the leadership meetings where even your own supervisor will disown you to save their own a–). Labels such as insubordinate, not a team player, has trouble dealing with authority, etc get added to your personnel file. You get such a stench on your file you will never be considered for anything beyond a GSR8. The funny thing is for the ones that play the game, when they exit they are empty people with just more money (and often they live at the edge of their means so really they are not that better off financially). If you want to truly behave like an engineer, this not the company where you will thrive.
Had a young GSR in Powertrain, the employee could not grasp the number of pistons in an engine. A I3 vs. a V6 was too confusing for comprehension. Unbelievably, this employee has been promoted to a LL6 this past year - enough said.
I worked in Quality and saw false positive reporting first hand. Also, LL's go (and drag engineers) into way to many useless meetings and issues just get pushed aside. It is all about perception. Engineers are forced to act the same way or get cut. I have thought ... what am I doing here? I should go to Hollywood, and audition for TV shows and/or movies.. when I'm asked about acting experience, I can say well as a matter of fact...
LL5+ Compensation is way out of bounds for their contribution level.
The bonus and non-base salary compensation is the root of many problems. The false positive reporting and looking the other way when problems arise are caused by LL+ wanting to get their bonus. So yes they make up stuff and sweep things under the rug to get the money.
Not all the "experienced people" know their stuff, nor all the "young people" are clueless. The problem at Ford is management, breeding a toxic culture of backstabbers, @sskissing, credit stealing employees, which are rewarded with promotions, while the real "work horses" are laid off because the are getting closer to a pension milestone.
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He qualified for retirement, and you are bitter??!! You have to be kidding! So, he was GIVEN early retirement! A lot of people have no chance to retire or have no chance to return to work. Your out of touch, entitlement, attitude is the problem Ford of management. If your husband has the same attitude you have, I can see way someone gave him the opportunity to leave early. Complaining about retirement?? Unbelievable.
My hubby was an LL6 & didn’t make near 400k! He worked 12 hour days & was rewarded by being SRD’ed in 19! He was hard working & dedicated to Ford. Got great reviews but had a target on his back. Luckily he was one that qualified for retirement. I still have bittterness at Ford!
@1nhk+190JFiEV - LL6 are not worth $400K, nor do they make $400K. Overpaid currently? definitely, but they do not make even half of what you claim. Salary ranges are posted. The facts are easy enough to find and you can see for yourself with about 3o seconds of searching.
The real problem is there are too many LLx all needing care and feeding.
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UAW salaries are not as overblown as our white collar salaries. Is your LL6 worth $400,000 per year?
Yeah, young and cool exactly... these types fit well into another problem... too many meetings and not enough time to actually get stuff done and right. Fast talking and cool sound great in the countless meetings. Sounds and looks great at the surface.. but that is about it.
Ford would do just fine if it jettisoned about half of the managerial staff and a significant portion of the salary roll. The problem is they never jettison the right people. If they let go all the blowhards, back stabbers, free loaders, social climbers, credit stealers and blame placers — and kept the people who actually work and contribute (which unfortunately is a minority of the staff in many areas) the problems of quality and cost overruns would disappear.
Ford won’t do this as the blowhards, social climbers and free loaders are in charge.
The occupants of the chairs change but the underlying disease does not.
Huh, watching the inauguration and interesting how they are pulling extremely experienced people to deal with the challenges ahead. Gee, not seeing a lot of inexperience off the street. Go figure. I guess they realize you have to know what you're doing if you need to get sh#t done. Ford should look into something like that. Oops sorry, pretending to be young and cool is more important that quality vehicles people want to buy. Go figure.
Ford compensation including benefits is 50% more than Mercedes or Honda in America. The Ford "family" is having a hard time because it didn't get to jettison all the debt like GM and Chrysler did during the 2008 financial crisis. What it needs to another bankruptcy to jettison all the unnecessary weight, so it can actually be competitive as world cars again, instead of sacrificing quality and money for overpaid union workers where length of service trumps merit.