Are experienced hires more likely to be laid off? Thoughts?
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Isn’t all top management inbred? Does this mean that anyone hired from outside isn’t a good manager?
@1zvt – Yes. It's by design. During ranking sessions it's highly frowned upon to rank a recent experienced hire higher than career EM employees. After all, if an outsider ranks higher than a seasoned EM executive, that doesn't reflect well for our talent pipeline. It implies we aren't actually getting the best-of-the-best talent from the best colleges. Can't have that now, can we?
This is why experienced hires get put in the bottom bracket.
If you were an recent experienced hire with narrow skills or an individual contributor then you are at more of a risk. It takes most people 2-4 years to establish their network. If you or an experienced hire without someone higher up knowing who you are and you are ranked in the bottom 40% you will always lose the ties.
Are there executive VPs that came into the company with 15-years of work experience from outside?
Isn’t all top management inbred? Does this mean that anyone hired from outside isn’t a good manager?
I still haven’t heard a reason as to why they don’t give full credit for prior work experience towards calculating vacation benefits!
Most heritage EM personnel are like frogs in a well. They don’t know anything about how things work in the outside world!
Hi. @1thc+186dcUOp:
I worked 28/28. i.e. every other month. So I would have nearly 6 months vacation per year. This was schedule my entire career. This schedule is common in my skill area. 28/28 is a nice schedule if you qualify.
As an EM operational super as was under constant pressure to meet or exceed team goals As a consequence, I selected my team member based on if you could to the job. I did not give a rats a– if you hired on right out of school or your were an experienced hire (or your color, s-x or anything else). All I cared about (and all those above me cared about ) about was if you could do (or learn to do) your job). Period. After your first day at EM no one gives a sh1t where your came from. It’s not relevant. Carry more than your weight or get out of the way.
Mid career experienced hire here. I have worked for two other majors and an independent as an employee during my time. I am utterly lost in the the Xom systems. There's a ton of information out there that nobody tells you about. I am only doing the best job that I know how to and hoping that I do not cross any policies or procedures that I'm not aware of. My onboarding was nonexistent and I'm very disappointed in the level of service from the hr and BA gbc.
My relocation was the most difficult I've ever had of any of my relos.
I expected much more refinement from xom. Everything here is slow and difficult but in this time it is a good paying job so I will carry on as long as I can.
Wonder how many years of credit for 20-years of prior experience did they give you towards vacation!
It must be 10 or even less.
Partial treatment started right at that point. Most other companies in the US would have given full-credit for all the 20-years of prior experience towards calculating vacation!
I was an experienced hire. Exxon hired me in 2000 during the Exxon Mobil merger. I was hired into the drilling group as an engineer I had +20 years oil field experience and was 49 years of age when I was hired. I was told by one of the managers at the time that I was the oldest guy they ever hired (ha!). I went on to have a very full and exciting career at EM; retiring after 15 years at the age of 65. It was a dream job on a number of levels. (At the time I was hired I was pretty specialized in world-class ERD operations, I guess I fit EM needs. Lucky me :)
Five people from my group were PIP’d in July, including myself. We were all experienced hires. When I hired in a few years ago, I was told my external perspective and experience was valued and I was told the same thing during my initial review. Two months later I was shown the door for not fitting the mold.
The company treats experienced hires like lepers. No opportunity to get on the HiPo track allegedly because you don’t have enough working years left to get all of those valuable experiences you can only get at ExxonMobil to become a leader.
I was an experienced hired who got pip in July, my supervisor had 10 people reported to her, 5 of us got PIPed, and 4 out of 5 are experienced hire within 3 years. I laughed when I was PIPed, because I almost quit by myself in May, so i had a great time in July, slept in till noon every day till July 30, then hand in my paperwork, enjoyed 2 months vacation till I started working again, feel much better.
Don't know about experienced hires now, but back in the old days it was important to have been raised on tiger milk ... word was that people from "outside" have had the chance to pick up "bad habits". But that was so long ago, so many of us campus hires have been steamrolled by people coming in from mergers, and acquisitions, and external hires... bottom line, we can complain too, everyone can, control what you can control, get on with your life and don't try to make it an "us vs them" situation, it is toxic, most of all, for you.
Easier to mold into the Soviet-style centrally controlled culture!
May be that is why they used to give zero credit for prior years of experience towards vacation - nothing anyone had in terms of experience counted in other US companies.
Many, many years ago I interviewed at Exxon, prior to Mobile merger. I passed all the hurdles but at the end was told, while my experience was extensive I would not “fit in” and Exxon had an unnamed policy to only hire green noobs right after graduation as they had not been bias by previous employment and were easier to mold.
I was experienced hire. I got kicked out in July. I was honest, technically competent, operators liked me in the control room, I made several benefits for the company. I did not, could not fit in the culture. I never learnt to brown nose. Got the PIP, decided to leave in 3 weeks, found a job in a month and enjoyed 2 months double pay. Happier now.
Experienced hires are never treated on par with heritage employees. It starts with the vacation credits when an experienced hires come in. One is given a maximum of ten years of prior work experience for vacation credits. If one has 20 years prior experience , one gets only 4-weeks of vacation.
Besides, there is never an experienced hire that comes in at higher management level - that’s a no-no! They will come in and disrupt the soviet-style central-command structure!!
Yes, they have not been brainwashed since professional puberty, so they are more likely to call BS to management.
Experienced hires are always looked at askance. Meaning lowly.
Anything over 5 years prior experience means they've been 'outside'.
They might have different ideas, even better ones.
They might speak their minds when not authorized.
Kultur, but spelled with a 'C'.
So - simple answer - Yes.
Why are experienced hires more likely to be PIP’d or laid off?
Well they were more likely to be PIP'd, so I'm sure they'll be more likely to be laid off.
In short, yes. You’re likely to have less tenure and to be seen as less in the gang than someone else your same age and position who is career EM.
You mean the ones that haven’t been laid off already, right?