What records do they have on us?
Do our records prevent us from being employed at Ford?
Who can see the records?
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Yep.
Office of Personnel
Any type of record you are talking about would be with Personnel and not HR.
And no, it would not be available for general review or be on your PR.
Hope that helps.
From below:
"Unless the supervisor is on the outs with his boss."
So true if a manager doesn't have support from level(s) above him/her @ Ford the are on their way outta town with a one way ticket. No if's ands or whats about. I was there long enough to know and in of the most drama filled cut throat crews in the company (hint) at the fore front of PD.
If you are GSR thru 8 level no issues unless it's absolutely flagrant you will be moved to a new area and manager from the group you were in. After that you will paddling upstream but they will more than likely not can you on the spot.
Also any brow beating of the other gender is not gonna fly. If they have enough proof you went after a female co worker even if it was legitimate your going to band camp and maybe further than that.
Beware Ford Speak up doesn't work at all and HR at corporate is completely useless. I believe I was retaliated upon and SRD'd in 2019 after 18 years. I complained about an LL5 who was totally an A-hole ...called me up on my vacation to help fix a Mfg. issue that could have waited when I returned (even Mfg. Operations agreed). The HR at the plant was sincere but they couldn't do anything so I filed with Ford Speak Up. A rep called from Ford Speak Up and they recommend I speak to HR at the plant. However the Lord works in mysterious ways and I landed a dream job.
If you are filing a grievance about LL6 or LL5, carefully consider as HR will likely side with the LL.
Know that you are likely not the first person to encounter the behavior and that the LL6 and LL5 are skillful con artists and will spin the situation to make you the guilty party.
Now if you are filing a complaint about a coworker threatening harm to themselves or others, HR will take immediate action.
Harassment and abuse by supervisors and managers is tolerated, everyone looking the other way. Unless the supervisor is on the outs with his boss.
@iai+17ilvW7E couldn't agree more. Had an LL4 who was trying to bed female reports. He was connected to an LL1, who went to bat for him. The females bypassed local HR and went to corporate. Caused quiet the sh– storm, but oh well. Never understood why the LL4 did this, but you have to remember that logic and morals are not characteristics of upper management. The people who end up there are really good at bending reality and making it their own. Meaning misrepresentation of issues that just snow ball to J1.
"every HR department has been completely worthless."
So how does Ford counter that? Just get out of the business all together. Got issues? Log a ticket or call the NESC.
Interesting post....
Filing with HR should never appear on a PR, as this could be construed as retaliation. But make no mistake in that a hiring manager will find this out.
I guess the first question I would ask is did HR know about it? It's not a foregone conclusion that the females filed a complaint with HR or that leadership got HR involved, if I'm reading your narrative properly. I'm not saying you're wrong by any stretch - there is a grain of truth to what you're saying. It's like anything in life in that it also depends on how good the HR rep is you're dealing with as well. Still, I think there is so much bad behavior within Ford because I don't think the LL6+ believe there are consequences. I really don't.
I think this why they created this Speak Up they talk about in the Code of Conduct training. I'm not sure if they are outside agents or Company personnel?
I also think the system is set up to keep complaints at bay and tamp this bad behavior down unfortunately, HR's mandate is no longer to be in the people business, and it's more evident than ever that they don't want to deal with this.
I don't think it's a function of overtly being fired for surfacing something (unless you did something very wrong too) but more of it following you maybe for several years+. You can forget about a TA, a promo, a choice assignment, etc. To what you're saying, it would take years to overcome a performance plan because most hiring managers indeed look at several years of PR's. I'd be concerned if a review was very vague or just not that becoming, much less being on a plan. A 20 something has a much better chance of quickly bouncing back from something like a bad PR than an older worker.
All in all, you have to be ready to accept the fallout from filing. If you're fine with the consequences, being swept up in an involuntary, having to maybe quit, etc., file it. Some people realize all of this but have nothing to lose. Just be smart to think about all of the possible ramifications ahead of time.
It depends. Keep in mind any HR department is there to protect the company and not the employee. In all my work experience, when I needed them, every HR department has been completely worthless.
What happens when you file a complaint with HR? It depends on who you are and who you file a complaint against. There was an LL6 who (rumor has it) had a number of complaints over s-xual harassment. I can believe it because he sat near me and I couldn’t believe the things he would say to his female direct reports. He had friends in high places and nothing ever happened to him. The Ford females that he harassed would disappear to new positions. The agency resources would be released.
For the most part HR takes complaints seriously when the target of the complaint isn’t well connected and an investigation will follow. If you are interviewed as part of an investigation and disclose any information you can be terminated so they do try to be discreet.
I believe people’s HR files are closed. As a manager I have never seen anyone’s HR file. If you are currently under disciplinary action or you are being managed with a work plan you are not eligible to apply for new positions. Once it has been successfully resolved you can apply. The hiring manager doesn’t see your HR file but they can request your prior three reviews and would see any review related issues that occurred.