Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

@1lgc+17K6AhRW I have seen the same as you. It is really sad that the only option for those unjustifiably PIP'd is to find a job elsewhere. It is not easy for someone with health conditions to do this. And it's nearly impossible for an employee even slightly autistic to change some mannerisms that management might view as negative. The only real protection I have seen for the disabled are when it comes to veterans. They are justifiably protected, I agree. But I think a lot of employees think non-veteran disabled employees are also protected in the same way. So, they figure these disabled can be ranked low because they won't lose their job. This is not necessarily the case. I've seen a handful PIP'd this round. Very sad given their expertise and tenure with the company.

I've seen people get PIPed as they approach retirement. I've seen people with medical issues who still reliably do their jobs get forced into PIPs or early retirement. I've seen people with social disabilities like autism get forced out because they weren't liked rather than how well they did their jobs. I've seen strong employees get PIPed because they didn't have "stand outs" after their department was eviscerated and they were doing the work of 8 people. With what free time (working 60-72 hours a week) are they going to find opportunities for improvement? The whole game is rigged, and if you get PIPed, especially if you have a degree, a work ethic, and skills, you should absolutely take the 3 months off and job hunt. And when the new company actually values you, you'll understand what was wrong with Exxon all along.

@rxo+17K6AhRW Paper mills?

Not that it matters to someone as dense as you, but there are 9 surgeons that have won a Nobel Prize

An analogy - but not perfect.

Surgeons are hardly the top of the medical field.
None have ever one a Nobel prize.
They are the 'Jocks' of medicine, though often most highly paid.

Then again, Einstein wouldn't last long in the Commodity business.

OK m*rons, some of you seem too dense to get the meaning of the analogy. Op is NOT saying that EM hires the best and brightest.

Op IS saying that EM relative ranking system is fatally flawed because by definition it forces employees into the NI and NSI categories regardless of their their skills, contributions and value to the company. High probability that everyone will end up at the bottom sooner or later, as those near retirement attest.

Even once the poor performers are gone and everyone else is a great contributor, some of these great employees will be forced to the bottom of the rank list. Even though there is little or no discernable difference between the top and bottom ranked people. Labels are forced onto people.

If you defend this system, it is YOU that believes that everyone gets what they deserve because the ranking system perfectly evaluates and high grades the work force every year. Anyone believe that?

That's the point that I see.

Make up a ranking, assign ranking, boot the heart doctors. Next, hire doctors who completed their training in 3rd world countries and cost less. More money for execs and shareholders.

You don't need to be the best surgeon, just an X factor for other managers to like you. How? Do something that other surgeons won't do (secretly or subconsciously). Up to your imagination.

Best and Brightest is a relative term.

In the realm of XOM, that would be defined as viewing other humans as mere obstacles on your well deserved rise to upper management.

So understanding that certainly makes you bright, but ultimately destructive overall.

What is the severance package being offered; how many weeks per year of service? Some in the industry offer 1 week per year of service with minimum of 1 month

How cute, OP has fully bought into the myth that only XOM gets the best talent. Sort of self delusional don't you think?! Lol

I’ve got a better analogy. You’ve got 70k heart surgeons. Some are brilliant, some are mediocre, some are bad. The bad ones have the potential to k–l people or injure people, causing additional headache for the other heart surgeons. Now your hospital has budget cuts and can’t afford all the heart surgeons. If you have to let some go. You don’t have a perfect system for weeding out the worst candidates (because there are objective factors) and have to resort to accepting some other head doctor’s opinion about some of the heart surgeons as the truth, even though they are biased (as all humans are). Now you’ve let go some great employees, but a majority of the employees chosen to be kicked makes life easier for the rest of the employees. You regret having let go some good employees, but you move on as a hospital and deal with the current issues at hand and hope you can develop other doctors to fill in the skill gap you just unknowingly or knowingly created.

Well not anymore. Not since the big turnover of management and so many places in leadership positions that should not be there. We used to recruit the best and brightest. I’ve seen cases over the last couple of years of people recruiting engineers who have literally no engineering experience and are not engineers or managers. In other cases inexperienced engineers are recruiting. 10 years ago I didn’t see anything like this.

Well not anymore. Not since the big turnover of management and so many places in leadership positions that should not be there. We used to recruit the best and brightest. I’ve seen cases over the last couple of years of people recruiting engineers who have literally no engineering experience and are not engineers or managers. In other cases inexperienced engineers are recruiting. 10 years ago I didn’t see anything like this.

Exxonmobil does not hire the best and the brightest. Get over yourself. There are absolutely many people who should not be working here.

There are absolutely people that should not be working at Exxonmobil. We are not hiring the top 10 doctors in the world. We have roughy 70k people, with a diverse range of skillsets, background and hiring pathways. You will undoubtedly get some folks who should not work here long term.

Additionally you analogy is incomplete. In your analogy we would get rid of the worst doctor (#10 in the world) and replace them with who we believe will be the (#1) doctor in the world someday. Is it perfect? Most definitely not and it is filled with high CLs pushing up thier favorites. I personally would like to see it done away with but we definitely do not solely hire the best and the brightness.