9gso+17IEJvcs has it exactly right. The worst offender on our team not only does not put in anywhere near 8 hours a day for a paycheck but he claims he has accumulated comp time and takes blocks of days off. Anyone with basic arithmetic skills or a calculator could see the claims are impossible.
The guy is working at his family owned restaurant all day to keep it afloat without paying employees.
The supervisor and manager both know he is doing no work for Fords and yet Fords is paying him not only his base salary, but also over time pay. The whole team knows it so they stopped working as well. May as well the supervisor only puts in 2 hours a day, he “works smart”.
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Why would we leave a six-figure job where we just have to show up and collect our check?
Post ID: @1lmo+17IEJvcs keep drinking that Kool Aid about our current state. Because outside Dearborn nobody believes in the Vision or Plan as reflected in the stock price. Starts with competent people at the top who have a vision and plan and convince the troops to follow. I saw the bullet points for what we have for a plan. It lacks the key point,, "Build Products People Want" ,, All that other fluff will not exist without PRODUCT.
I am in my 20s with a base salary over $100k. Not easy to leave
Our large PT product development department is very well managed and productive. Our engineers are hard-working and are making a difference even though we aren't associated with mobility or electrification. Many have been working together for years and are friends and socialize together outside of work.
It's the constant program churn and other BS that flows downhill and that comes in at us from other areas that is the frustrating part of our job that we have to live with. Complexity reduction is only a theory in our area as the company tries to be all things to all people.
: @1lmo+17IEJvcs Naw you may be in a small Isolated bubble of goodness.
But I can tell you that each and every one of the change agents in our area was SRD or left on their own accord last year. These were the people actively removing bureaucracy, and getting things done correctly.
The people who were kept were the those fearing change, sitting on their laurels and constantly creating more bureaucracy.
I look up in our management chain and they are all the same, just collecting people and self preservation. Unless there is a major IT Housecleaning nothing will change.
Because the negatives will work themselves out. 95% of the complaining around here is from people resistant to change. The culture shift is happening, and where the new way of working is in place it actually works.
All the people complaining about bs are waiting to retire and don’t want to learn how to work in the design thinking / non bureaucratic / iterative mindset. The org I’m in trends very young and we’re making more progress than I’ve seen in the past 8 years I’ve been working here.
Sounds like Farley believes in us and we’re gonna keep pushing to actually crawl out of this rut the naysayers like to complain about
The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence, but I was already planning to change jobs when COVID-19 started. Now I am setting a more ambitious plan, while I work from home. I am not only changing jobs, I am moving out of Michigan.
Currently suffering from the one more year syndrome. I had hoped to get a package this year but our IT area was excluded from packages.
Early on in my career everyone worked hard as a team and contributed.
The last 15 years or so the team has been infected with slackers, trouble makers and climbers. Now I am just coasting as all my coworkers are coasting and I was tired of doing all their work for them.
The whole team has used all their sick days, personal days and vacation days and now the team claims they have earned comp time and take days off each week. And yet we continue to add staff.
I am only human after awhile you stop being a chump and take advantage of the system as others do.
Once you stop caring and just collect a paycheck Ford is easy street.
I realize my 30 year old self would be disappointed in my 60 year old self.
On the flip side ole Henry Ford would be disappointed in what Ford Motor Company has become - a huge welfare company for a bunch of slackers and climbers.
Staying at Ford because of pension, wife's job and family. I've worked for a couple of large companies and have several friends who work for other auto OEM's, suppliers and large companies and they complain of the same things I see posted on these boards. For me, I found a position at Ford where my contribution is valued and I enjoy what I'm doing, though I do acknowledge the company has many "management problems" and has gotten worse over time.
Because of positives, outside of Ford.
My wife has a great job here in Detroit area. She came to the area because of my Ford job, and she doesnt /I don't, want her to leave her job AGAIN because of me and search for another one at my new location.
I am tolerating Ford for now. How long? I cant say.
A couple of more Posts like OP's and we may pull the plug.
I understand why people stay in spite of the negatives. Many years invested, pension, long term friendships and relations, career goals, etc. I left but struggled with the decision because there were pros and cons for staying and leaving. Even now I sometimes think back on Ford with fond memories because while there were negatives there were also positives. Each person has to make their own decision based on their own set of pros and cons. We can’t assume that people stay because of character flaws such as “fear” or being a “slacker”. It’s rarely that simple.
Came in just before the downturn. Believed I could make a difference. Was ready to leave, and then we brought in Alan M. He made me think we had a chance. Then Bill eventually put Mark F. ( the climate of fear a$$) back in charge and then hd brought in Wacky Hackett, the addled hatchet. Now I'm a hostage to waiting on retirement. Do I slack? Hell no! I am doing everything I can to try to keep this Titanic of mismanagement afloat. Believe you me that is no easy task given most of our management are like toddlers running around with lighters starting more fires than those of us who know what we are doing can put out. If Farley was truly smart, he'd remove 3/4 if all of management and start over. You don't need 3 managers per GSR. Go back to large sections with 3/4 more workers than managers. If you are a manager and don't have at least 10-15 people reporting to you, you are not needed. FINALLY, if you are management without ANYONE reporting to you, you should be shown the door. Why is THAT allowed to go on? And don't give that BS about special skills. Seen enough of these people and that is not the case.
I am here just for health benefits. 6 more years and I'd be retired with Medicare.
My recent skills working at Ford don't transfer anywhere else. I'm sitting around in Mobility doing next to nothing and collecting a paycheck. I'll just continue on until they tap me on the shoulder, but because I am under 40 that isn't likely.
Its a mix. Some top performers, some strong lifers, and some slackers.
Most of the Top performers, ambitious people who can’t live without making positive contributions have left ....
What is remaining is what we know as ‘slackers’ people who have no desire whatsoever to make any contributions, who like to play political games, keep earning easy money for basically doing nothing for 4-6 hour day and leave for home at 3p. Their logic for leaving early is I work smart not hard !
Really, the money? You can't live on less, maybe working somewhere else to be a bit more satisfied with your career? This is just an excuse for people who love complaining but are unwilling or scared to make the changes in their careers (sometimes life) to become less dependent on "the money". I'm close to retirement and have been at Ford for about 15 years. I wouldn't have stayed for that long just for the money. Like any other place I've worked, Ford has it's ups and downs but overall I'm very pleased to be finishing off my career at this company.
Finally, please don't tell me I don't understand. I have been working 45+ years and in the time have experienced layoffs and on one occasion relocated my family to another state. Sometimes you have to put on your big boy (girl) pants and make the right decisions regarding your emotional well being and career.
The positives outweigh the negatives usually.
It's called "money"...you know. Use it to buy stuff like food, shelter, stuff like that. Kind of nice to have "money". Better question to ask is why you have not left YOUR job.