Thread regarding Dril-Quip Inc. layoffs

With a heavy heart, after taking VR I went out to say goodbye to the personnel on my shift who are still there , clear my locker and have a chat with my foreman. I have spent 10 years in the machine shop and will miss you guys. I also worked with the other shift so please accept my goodbyes here on this post. I enjoyed my time at DQ and as a company have always been fair and supportive of me. I just feel in these unprecedented times I should express some kind of thankfulness . I fully understand the stress and uncertainty that you are all going through at this time and take this opportunity to wish you well whatever the outcome of this redundancy program takes you.

Upsetting

They may get paid slightly less per hour but when you factor in all the unnecessary overtime because of poor planning the money soon builds up... plus they still have service history for the next redundancy and VR opportunity.

What’s not to believe? Everyone needs to look after number one.

It's because they know they don't have the skill or ability to work in a m/c shop that is properly run by proper supervision and management who look after their employees. Trust me boys the grass is much greener on the other side, I just hope the good guys in the m/c shop get a job if made redundant

A programmer can run a cell of 3 or 4 machines without the inflated costs of button monkeys, the programmer does all the work anyway.

Between the two of them there must be about 60 years experience and but because they aren't yes men the DQ way will be to let them go.

Yep and because the place is so rotten both will be gone anyway. One on VR and the other redundant because he isn't part of the dream team.

Shows you how incompetent the m/c shop supervision are when you have your two most qualified turners left sitting at home on Furlough.

Posts deleted already. Someone is keeping an eye out for certain IP addresses.

"No one is stealing jobs, bumping is legit for ditching the clowns and replacing with efficient operators."

You can try and sugar coat it to convince yourself all you want but it is stealing someone's job. Just because it is written in law does not make it morally correct. You would have thought the human race have been on this planet long enough to evolve from this selfish b–tard attitude.

"Yuk reading the desperation of the people praying to get bumped is horrible how can u look in the mirror hahahhahaa"

You can definitely see there is someone posting on this thread that is praying to get bumped. Everyone I know from from previous employers and out with that have been offered to be bumped have refused it on the basis that they are not prepared to put someone else on the street. These are obviously people with morals but we know morals don't exist at DQ and its full of people that would step on anyone to save their own wretched necks.

Yuk reading the desperation of the people praying to get bumped is horrible how can u look in the mirror hahahhahaa

It was slightly different with the UK parliament. The Scottish court of appeal ruled that the UK government acted unlawful and against the constitution by closing parliament for 5 weeks. The reason it went to the UK Supreme Court is because the Scottish Court of appeal failed to make an order on the ruling and also it involved all the nations.

Oh the joys of Brexit.
With all the COVID coverage I forgot we had Brexit to look forward to.
Wish 2020 would hurry up and end.

Did this not happen when Boris Johnson shut the UK Parliament.

If the Inner House refuses permission, a party can then ask the Supreme Court directly for permission to appeal. Such permission will normally only be given if the appeal raises a point of general public importance, and in deciding whether it does, the Supreme Court will benefit from the Inner House's view on whether an appeal should be given permission to proceed.

Highly unlikely but so was the COVID pandemic back in January.

Permission to appeal from the Court of Session is also required for an appeal to The Supreme Court under the provisions of certain Acts of Parliament

A refusal by the Court of Session to grant permission to appeal is final and no appeal may then be made to The Supreme Court.

if the appeal raises a point of general public importance you can still go to the Uk Supreme Court.

No you can't. Any cases raised after 2015 must have the permission from the court of session to appeal to the UK Supreme court. This is also the same in Wales and NI.

If the inner house of the Scottish court of session has refused permission you can get permission to appeal from the UK Supreme Court.

It is employment law. I'm sure you will be aware that an Employment tribunal is a civil matter and in Scotland for someone to raise an appeal with the UK supreme court they must first apply to the Scottish Court of session for permission to do so, which they are not entitled to do.

That’s practices and guidance not employment law. Had enough of this stupid debate. Uk legislation Employment Rights Act 1996 covers unfair dismissal and if taken to a tribunal is a civil action. Which if carried on through appeals would ultimately be heard at the UK Supreme Court. Not Scots law.

You really are hard work. It doesn't matter if the legislation was written by Westminster. England and Scotland work by completely different legal systems. It is up to the Scottish courts how they enforce it. An example of differences are that in Scotland in an employment tribunal witnesses are not usually allowed until all evidence is presented where as in England witnesses are allowed. They are completely different legal systems even though they are mainly following the same legislation. Scottish courts do not have to follow English court rulings.

You guys get back to work or I’ll have you stomping your sour grapes into sweet Texas wine.

So we agree that employment law is not devolved to Scotland now. In an employment tribunal the case can be taken into account when an employment tribunal is heard in Scotland because it is the same employment legislation.

You really are not the brightest spark are you. I never said it would go to the Scottish High Court, I said it was the highest court of authority in Scotland and that English Law does not hold jurisdiction in Scotland. While Employment legislation is written by Westminster which Scotland adopts which some small differences the point is it is Scottish courts that enforce the Law not English or UK courts as you put it. English Case Law has no bearing on Scottish hearings as it is part of a different system.

So you think you can take an employment tribunal to the high court. Get real

You are obviously a Google warrior so I will try and explain it as simply as I can. Why you are bringing up devolved powers and not just shows you don't have a clue what you are talking about. In reality there is no such thing as UK Law. As part of the Union Act 1707 it was agreed that England and Scotland would respectively retain their own Law systems. Scots Law comes from various sources but it is in its own right completely separate from England. You need to stop talking about UK courts, The Scots courts, Scots Laws, Scottish Sheriffs and Scottish Judges are the only powers that have jurisdiction in Scotland. The Scottish High Court in Edinburgh is the highest court in the land and there is no other court in the country that can overrule there decision. So you can forget that case you dug up from google because Scotland has it's own law and any case brought against DQE would be raised in Scotland.

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Employment law is not devolved from Westminster, so there is very little difference from what is law in Scotland to what is law in England, but by all means go to tribunal, go for it and good luck.

Have you found it stated in UK law that you can’t bump an “at risk” employee. Or is this a Solicitors interpretation of UK employment law. Only a UK Tribunal Court Judge can make an interpretation of employment law and even they can get it wrong, hence the appeal as per below EAT.

"Remember that a solicitor is not a charity and will happily take your money and make a case that sounds all to appealing.
As the saying goes “who’s the more fool, the fool or the fool that follows the fool”"

I would agree to a certain extend but a Solicitor can't give you false information on the Law or you can report them to the SLCC

"Yeh found on google, no solicitors open just now and as for “plucked out the sewer”. It was plucked from a genuine Employment Appeal Tribunal and can be used in any UK court as how judicial law must proceed."

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Yes it was from an Employment Appeal Tribunal but it is only one case. This indeed could be brought in to any UK court as "Case Law". But Law is about interpretation and a Judge/Sheriff is under no obligation to follow the same ruling. Sure it could go to appeal again and the same result might be the outcome. In Scotland for it to become a change in Law for how cases must proceed it must first be presented to a panel for Judicial review and only then will the panel decide what to do. Remember there is no such thing as "UK Law". There is "English Law" and "Scots Law". Both are very different and DQE are bound by Scots Law.

Remember that a solicitor is not a charity and will happily take your money and make a case that sounds all to appealing.
As the saying goes “who’s the more fool, the fool or the fool that follows the fool”

You really need to seek legal advice on this. An employee categorically can't be bumped in to a position that is at risk. They can only be bumped in to a position that is not at risk and in turn that employee that was "not at risk" would be made redundant.

Don't be fooled in to thinking that because DQ is a multi national company that they do everything within the law. Anyone that has worked there knows they break the law, push the boundaries and twist things to what they want it to be. You only have to look a few years back to when the company were illegally forcing m/c shop workers to work 50 hour weeks on night shift and forcing employees to use annual leave to get a Sunday night off. When DQ were finally taken to task about it they couldn't even issue an apology never mind pay back employee's all their money for illegally used holidays. Don't be surprised after all this if a class case is against DQ as there were a lot of employees involved and thousands of pounds.

Yeh found on google, no solicitors open just now and as for “plucked out the sewer”. It was plucked from a genuine Employment Appeal Tribunal and can be used in any UK court as how judicial law must proceed.

The employer (DQE) has only to show that the true reason for the dismissal of the “bumped” employee was for redundancy and not some other reason. Whether that person was at risk or not does not matter.

I was waiting for that case to be plucked out the sewer. It's not exactly hard to find when you Google "bumping". Show me some more? If you had sought legal advice you would know that any experienced Union rep or employment law solicitor will tell you that bumping does not occur much at it is dangerous ground for employers. Irrespective of any of that you are ignoring the fact that an employee can only be bumped in to a position that is "not at risk". In these circumstances machinist's are at risk so they shouldn't be doing it.

Appeal No. UKEAT/0172/17/DA. Have a read.