Thread regarding Gulfstream Aerospace layoffs

ILz nailed it. Nobody wants ideas on how to improve things because the extremely fragile ego of senior managers might be damaged if they realize not every idea they have might be the best way of doing things.

Left last year after 10+ years and I would never return. Ill go flip burgers first if I need money to live.

Here is what happened in my case:
I was offered an internal position mid- April, that I had interviewed for a few weeks before that. I accepted that and let know my mgr and gh about the move. Then by the end of April, the new mgr tells me that the move isn't happening. So I was like what happens to my previous position? And then I got the answer on May 1. Pathetic management or the utter lack thereof. Neither they have any of the 7 habits of highly effective people nor the capability to turn the ship around. Would never recommend this joke of a company to anyone.

20 years at gac. Chose to leave at 50 last July. Was a hard decision to make but this place is going downhill. I tried to help for many years but people don’t want to listen and problems persist. It’s time to go before I am told to go. Be safe people. There is much much better outside. And salaries are as good as Gulfstream. Don’t fool yourself by thinking GAC pays more... I moved to Huntsville AL, lots of jobs there... cheap to live in too...

Josh Thompson is the new CFO replacing Dan Clare, but the rest you got right. He needs to trim costs. Other than overhead (I include salaries), most of GAC expenses go out for acquiring parts and services to build planes. Salaries are a logical place to trim. That is why I personally come to this board. I want my ear to the ground so I know when to bail. Its pretty nervous around the office since we've been back.

I left GAC on my own a few months back. Mid 40s. You guys can stick around and worry about the whims of executives based on quarterly earnings reports. Not giving a sh– who the CFO is or why is a great feeling.

To the person who wants to retire by 50 to play golf, hope you are 49.9 years old. General Dynamics put Dan Clare in as new GAC CFO last month for a reason - to improve the bottom line by managing cost. We are all expendable and we may be “Retired” sooner than we think.

I won’t be working at 62 or denigrating large groups people on lay-off boards. Hopefully my biggest issue will be to decide to play a quick 9 or the full 18. Aiming for 50 to retire. So far so good.

@backwater boy. Goody for you. Bet you are not 62 years old.

This backwater stupid Georgia boy managed to find a job that paid relocation and I left on my own terms. Maybe it’s not the people of Georgia that are the problem?

I got laid off May 1. If I had been some douche bag who didn’t contribute, I’d accept it. If I hadn’t allowed myself to be recruited to this back water from up north, I’d accept it. Fact is, I was stupid. I left GAC s—er me in to moving to a state with the stupidest people ever. Now I stuck here until I find a job that I can afford to relocate to since no one is paying for relocation in a pandemic.

I left too. Not a single molecule in my body regrets it. My only regret is being complacent and not doing it sooner. Yes moving was a huge pain in the a– but once the dust settled life is much better. GAC has been a terrible place to work for probably a decade or so. COVID just magnified it. Can you guys forward me this year’s “Great Place to Work” survey?

I didn’t get laid off in May (shocking I know), but instead I chose to leave. I couldn’t consciously continue to work hard for a company that clearly doesn’t give two $h!ts about its employees. Every day I drove from Bluffton to Savannah post May RIF I had to talk myself into getting out of my truck and walking in. NO ONE should ever have to dread work that much and live with continuous fear and anxiety. Our lives are too short for that treatment. Please, please, take a long hard look at the posts in this particular thread and know that there IS life outside of GAC. You can and will find better employers and make more money. Don’t sell your value short for the c-ap anymore.

I'll chime in as the wife of someone fired on May 1. To the earlier poster, I also hope that people read this before moving to this company to know what they are getting themselves into. If we had known about all the layoffs and age discrimination suits, we definitely would not have moved here. That my husband was fired over the phone in the MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC was the epitome of EVIL. When I think of the countless hours, including weekends and vacations that he worked, and all of the lost sleep sweating the details. It proved to us that the soul of America is dead. Gulfstream is a business that caters to the wealthiest of the super rich. The American workers who are lowly aerospace engineers and technicians, serve their wealthy masters, until their masters have no use and push them out the door in the cruelest way possible. My husband got a new job after several months. We just moved from Savannah disrupting our family, as did most of my husband's colleagues, which makes me sad. They are fine people - so much more worthy than the executives left behind. Like my husband, many volunteered in churches, community groups, schools, scout troops with the little bit of time away from work Gulfstream allowed. I think there are now many little holes in Savannah where those families used to be. I hope Gulfstream's profits for its wealthy masters was worth it.

I didn't even get the courtesy of a phone call on the first.

After spending all day hearing from co-workers who got the call, I called in right before close of business and was told I was on the list.

If I hadn't called in I expect I'd have arrived at 0500 Monday to find I'd been locked out.

My new job is with a very much more stable company. Pay is a bit higher, and cost of living is much lower than Savannah (schools aren’t c-ap here, so I don’t have to pay private tuition). So net gain is huge. Region has much more opportunity should I want or need to make a move.

So advice to any still there: At GAC I took pride in my work and the company, respected my peers and was respected. Coworkers let go in the last 3 bloodletting’s were some of the best in the biz. Heard the same about the ones before my time and the age discrimination suit GAC lost in the early 2000’s is legendary. Be prepared to lose your job at any minute with no warning. Your performance will not save you, and if you doubt that, just think about how much job advancement you’ve had. Slim to none I’ll wager. Your are a useful tool, hired for a limited gig. Don’t do like I did and work yourself half to death. Do not give up a single weekend, evening, day off or family event. GAC will toss you out as sure as you are reading this and you will regret ever putting the mission first out of some misguided loyalty. Do not ever keep any personal items there that you care about because you will be gone at any time. Always lookout for number one. You will do better after you are fired but the process of getting fired is inevitable unless you leave on your own and it SVCKS. . GAC is the perfect reflection of our new mean spirited America. Be warned and plan accordingly

For those who may stumble on this in the future considering a job with GAC (assuming it survives to have new planes and will hire again), only come if the pay and title is really, really worth it. You will never get a bump in pay, there is no career development. Don’t lay down roots in Savannah, you may make it a handful of years until you are no longer useful and then you’re out. There are no jobs in the region for you once you are laid off. GAC manages in the present, there is no future. Everything is a transaction and the company will consider you temporary from the day you walk in. Plan accordingly.

Surprised I have not seen this story on this site yet . Hello everyone, not going to say my position or where because I have an attorney and apparently have a pretty good case but I had a company phone and I was not able to answer the call on that Friday because I was busy, shortly there after the company phone was disabled before I could call back but talking to other friend I knew what the call was, also, I had recently changed my home phone number because of Robo calls and golf stream did not have the new one. So I showed up to work as normal Monday morning and actually got into the facility and everyone kept looking at me funny, about 30 minutes in, security came and escorted me out and explained.

Layoff by phone call is definitely the cowards way to do a RIF. Gulfstream was a "BAD EXPERIENCE" and I am glad that I am gone. Worst leadership that I ever saw in my lifetime. I came out fine and hope those left behind fine better jobs elsewhere. Seems like Gulfstream focuses on getting rid of the older workers in October as well as this past May. Hope those who made the phone calls get the same treatment in the future.

I’d be my ex-manager, I’d follow up. If you lose your people without your will, it’s doesn’t Take much to do a phone call and ask how everything is going.... WFH Covid was a great way to justify the cold Lay-off.

At 9am I was on a call with some team members for a meeting. A few minutes later, I saw a 912 number on my cell (which 90% of the time is a wrong number). I got off of my meeting and took it and got the ax. I had jabber up for a while and when I Jabbered goodbye to various colleagues, they all thought I was joking.

While I'm not happy about that, I don't know how things could have been done "more humanely." I mean, we're all working from home, so how could they have RIF'd us better?

Nice to hear OP. Same feeling. And I feel the first answer too. I got the call on May 1st, and 2 minutes after they called my wife. I was able to hear the same speech.

We were in the middle of enjoying a hamburger when called evening of 5-1. Wife axed in 10-2019. We both went above and beyond reasonable contributions. 20+ yr. tenure each. Inconsiderate cowards.