Thread regarding Gulfstream Aerospace layoffs

Lawyer said my suit would not be successful because it was probably my salary and not my age that caused me to be let go. I worked circles around the foreign nationals in my department. They must have been able to keep two at what they saved letting a well qualified American go. Hope GAC thinks screwing Americans is worth it.

I’m happy that government stopped new work visas for next two quarters. GAC please hire qualified Americans and stop paying millions of company money to sponsor work visas while you layoff Americans due to budget cuts.

Fashion models and medical specialist are legit usages of h1b. $50k a year engineers with a 4 week fake deferred out of Hyderabad are not.

Fashion models are also brought in on H1B visas.

India designed planes manufactured in Mexico. Just what every discerning billionaire wants.

June 12, 2020 - 11:00 AM EDT
Koch groups ask White House to spare work visas

https://thehill.com/latino/502431-koch-groups-ask-white-house-to-spare-work-visas?amp

Your letters (and such) are mere whispers compared to Koch (et al).

“E9 troll” here. Not me. I’ll sign my posts as “E9 Troll” so you guys can not wonder if it’s me posting impure opinions.

Igor Sikorsky and Elon Musk are/were American citizens and they are/were job creators for Americans in America.

1. The government is "trying" to get rid of the H1B lol! "Trying"? They have been "trying" for ages. I dont understand why the government has to "try". All the president has to probably do is to sign an executive order discarding the program altogether. But he hasnt done that. Know why? Becuase H1B workers are valuable to American corporations.
2. "Gulfstream spends millions to hire H1B": You know where the supposed "millions" go to? The US government - The USCIS! And if a company is willing to spend the extra bucks to hire H1B, there must be some value isnt it?
3. "Homegrown talent": What if I told you that most H1B workers have masters from top ranked American universities, as opposed to an 'Associates' degree from some community college?
4. Do you realize that H1B workers contribute to America's GDP? The salary they draw is in return for their services. It is not charity.
5. Lastly, people like Igor Sikorsky and Elon Musk were immigrants too.

I see the E9 troll is back. Wonder if he is still using a GAC device on work time to post here? Many people here from other countries work on green cards. H-1B only gets you in the door after college, green card lottery is the next step to work here without being a citizen and there are plenty of those left at GAC. There is homegrown talent to take the jobs. Several got laid off 5/15. To answer your question about why the government hasn't done away with the H-1B visa program, they are trying to severely limit it as it has been abused for decades.

Agree. Have lots of respect for immigrant colleagues and friends. But I’m also a patriot. Something just doesn’t sit right about putting American workers out the door to receive welfare in the form of UI when a noncitizen keeps a job. I don’t think supporting fellow Americans during this pandemic and it’s fallout is racist at all. But I also agree with another guy here, GAC is not going to fire T3 green card holders and rehire citizens.

I don't agree that wanting American jobs at a government contractor going to well qualified American workers to keep us off taxpayer funded unemployment, is racism or xenophobic. Rather, it is good labor and economic policy. If I as American I was a contender for a job at Bombardier, I would expect that if there were a well qualified Canadian who could hold that job, he/she would should get first dibs.

Because of such mentality that’s why our country is in crisis right now. So sad.

Is fluent English a requirement for their job? Typically no; because otherwise a lot of the local yokels would get disqualified too. Next - are they good at their jobs? No; doesn’t matter coz the system at the top didn’t consider performance in this RIF. And there aren’t any H1-B’s above the worker-bee level; maybe if there were- this would be a better company.

Wow! First racism and now xenophobia. This is insane. Just one question to all the awesome people who have posted here:
If the H1B is such a problem, why hasn't the government done away with it yet?
Why make a provision in the law allowing immigrant workers and then discredit them at every opportunity?
Such toxicity!

Reality check, y'all. They aren't going to fire the greencard holders and other immigrants and give you Americans your jobs back no matter how good you were. You were RiFed to meet budget requirements even though the WARN filing blamed COVID-19 problems. That's why so many experienced guys were let go. Experienced Americans make more money than immigrants. I'm sure GAC didn't say fire the old guys and the Americans, they said fire the expensive guys. It's completely legal as long as the reason for being RiFed was at the root - money, not age or lack citizenship. That is not age discrimination or discrimination on nationality. I heard rumblings of people going to the newspapers or the Trump administration to complain since GD is a defense contractor. Before you do something stupid like that, read the little clause in your severance agreement (assuming you signed and returned it) saying you won't bad mouth the company unless it is under some court order. They could come after and sue you for return of your severance $. You may think it was sh–ty thing for them to do, but if anyone thinks an American business has integrity, you are living in a fantasy land. You got screwed, yes, young inexpensive kids and immigrants are sitting in the jobs you once held, yes. You are on the government dole getting UI at least partially funded by tax payers, yes. Gulfstream could have done different and behaved more ethically, yes. But they didn't. Get over it.

In RDC we had foreign born people working there from places like Embraer (Brazil) as an example. They weren’t all naturalized citizens. Some had green cards. Some came on HB-1 visas while they waited for green cards. I know some are still working at GAC and I am not. I’m born in the USA.

Wow such a bold statement.
There could be about 75-100 foreign Workers on H1b visas in GAC. Company spends about $75k on each of these employees visa sponsorship, in additions to salary. These employees are in the same pay scales as other Americans are.

GAC RIFd hundreds of Americans due to budget cuts. But kept foreign workers employed because RIFd Americans employees s—-.

Is this what some one said?
Shame on you.

H1-Bs are all kids fresh out of college with no real work experience, and get shipped straight back to their country if they can't hold a job. It takes a lot of expense and red tape to onboard them. They offer few advantages over actual offshore resources who get offshore salaries except a physical presence, except that 85% of engineers graduating from campuses these days are foreign born, so it's not like there's a homegrown talent pool. If you can't hold your own against these no experience kids with poor communication skills who are strangers in a strange land, honestly, you s—, and deserve to be let go.

I’ve been watching this site for a couple weeks but haven’t replied to any threads. I signed the severance agreement saying I would not denigrate the company and I take that very seriously. I will take the risk and say now if it is true that U.S. citizens were RIFed and similarly qualified people from outside the country kept their jobs, this is a serious problem with HR and management decision making. I am hoping this is just a rumor and that GAC is loyal to America.

Wait, what? The intent of the H1B visa program according to the department of labor is to put an immigrant in a job if there is no qualified American who can do the work. They wouldn’t have been stupid and rotten enough to lay off Americans and keep foreigners, would they? And to the guy who posted earlier you are 100% on target. If Americans are collecting unemployment when their jobs went to foreigners, that’s tax payer money! Beyond angry.

Wouldn’t that just be special if GAC laid off US citizen technical specialists throwing them on the state unemployment roles and kept foreign nationals and immigrants? Is this real?

SMH. Cheaper to keep the foreigners than the Americans. Gotta love GAC. Anybody want to call our Congressman?

totally agree.