I put in over 20 years with NOV and lost my job in April. I do not keep in touch with many there as most of them in my age group were also let go after me. I wonder after reading all the post here if there is a case of age discrimination against NOV? I know of at least 20 people that were over 50 years old that were released and all of them had moved up in the company and did not have anything against them in their file. It looks like they wanted to get rid of all the old players who helped build this company and were finally making a good salary... not great but good. We were the ones that helped weather the last 20 years of up and down market swings and kept the doors open. Just seems like they wanted to get rid of all the old workers regardless performance. Thoughts??? **If you're one of the young ones just remember that we too were young and eager to prove our worth and in the end they do not care about you. If you are not in the click you too will be replaced so please keep this in mind. O&G is dying and we all knew this would happen but crossed our fingers that it would last long enough for us to retire from what was once a great company that took care of its workers... those days are gone.
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All are HR is good for is sleeping with some of the guys lol. Well at the tower and then Bammel at least
That company is a sh– hole now. It’s not the days of Pete Miller. Joe s—s, HR s—s and with no work coming in we are still trying to act like everyone needs NOV. Customers are not coming here any more because we s— and are over priced.
I am in the same boat. Had over many years with the company brought 15 of experience to the table before joining. Am over 50 and was laid off while still under doctors care. Pretty sad how they did things and the only 2 in my group let go were the two senior people both over 50. All I can say is Karma is a b&*^h. Life goes on, Surviving without the BS
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Stuck at lunch indeed. Especially when it's a vendor paid for lunch!!!
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Thank you for speaking my mind. I completely agree with every word.
Oh and the young ones get stuck behind the train on the way to work, their phones are stuck on Twitter, FaceBook, Instagram, stuck at the coffee bar, stuck in the shi__er because the don’t eat roughage, stuck by the boss at work, and stuck having to leave early because they got a headache.
It might be that some of the old timers are stuck in their ways however, sometimes they sometimes know about how things evolved and have some wisdom about what works better
I’ve seen a lot and done a lot but I don’t know everything and never will.
I learned drafting with a pencil on a board, then Autocad, Microstation, SolidEdge, Solidworks.
Hand calculations in Engineering Green paper, math tables, slide rules, graphic calculators, TKSolver, MathCad
Building physical models, Finite Element Analysis, MultiPhysics.
Before drones there were model airplanes on strings.
We didn’t even have cell phones! How did we make it?
We didn’t have GPS, in the Army we used maps and a compass to navigate.
It’s true many wonderful advancements have been made, and some are cutting edge and impossible any other way, but sometimes the old ways work
So is it really the old ones who are stuck in their ways or is it the young ones only know their ways (and their ways are obviously best since they are newer ;-). !
The young ones always seem to get stuck at lunch
I hate seeing anyone let go. But I don’t have sympathy for older people and younger if they get set in there ways and just try to draw a paycheck. I know there are older people at my location and that’s all they do. They don’t want to learn anything new and are stuck in there ways.
80% of a certain facility that just did layoffs was the “old tymers”. I would love to see these guys stick it to NOV. NOV doesnt give a f@¢k about any of us and that is a fact! If you believe otherwise you are mistaken.
By morning p–p I assume you mean painting something blue and putting a Brandt sticker on it?
If the company's priority is saving ridiculous jobs such as the ones the "THE VOICE", "MALL COP" and the double titled id*0t "CTO/CMO" hold....there is no hope for employees that actually bring years of experience. This company seems to want to self destruct.
I’m just taking my morning p–p and reading the updates. So great to get paid for this.
S— it up Buttercup!
His post is exactly why America is in the shape it is in now. Yes we all know that discrimination is every where but if we keep allowing this to happen nothing will change. So I assume you are one of the green young bucks that is still working at NOV. Remember no one said I was broke or out of money or anything like that. What was said is that NOV has taken the low road and rid themselves of the older generation that helped build the company. Most of us started out making 25% less then competitive companies offered just because you felt like you were building your future with a company that cared.... stupid on us for sure. You too will get old and if you put your children (3 of them in my case) to college you do not have much room for saving. You thought if you went to work everyday did what was asked of you and did it well you would be rewarded with more than just a paycheck... you would have security in your later years. I am sure your parents would agree with you if they too were singled out due to age not performance. If you are a sh–ty worker than you deserve to be released no question about it. When you hit my age you will see that putting in the 14 hours per day 7 days a week is not as easy as it once was. I tell my children to not count on any company to provide anything more than a paycheck, to always look for the bigger better option and show no loyalty to any employer as they will not do so in return. This will be the new norm for your age group and companies will wonder why they cannot retain talent... I wish I would have not been so naive to believe that going to work and doing what was asked and doing it well would pay off in my later years... so shame on me for sure. So you young buck keep jumping from job to job and save your pennies and maybe when you get our age you will be in a better place then me.
I think the last “poster” is accidentally on the wrong group, I think he meant to sign on to the BITTER & ANGRY Mob Group.
Just don’t pay him no never mind!
Age (and race) discrimination is the American way. Not just prevalent at NOV. You should of been socking money away when you were young and you still had a career instead of blowing every dime you earned. S— it up buttercup.
Wow I watch I would of know some people would of done this I would of got a class action case against them. Because they sure don’t care about there people.. all they care about is there bosses checks. And the people on the floor make it for them.
Why would they pay you 30 days of vacation. You would only get that on dec 31st if you did not use any. You Accrue vacation per pay paid. If you quit on Jan 3rd they don’t owe you the whole year.
They aren't even paying me for earned vacation time. 240+ hours.
How do I join this lawsuit?
I know for a fact that in the senior management meetings age was discussed as well as salaries etc. Most of the SMT also believed that the severance offering would protect NOV from litigation. I also know that the NOV legal team expressed to all SMT that this was not the case and to tread lightly as this could blow up in their face. Bottom line if you are over 40 years old and feel you have been singled out due to age I would move this thread to a more secure environment and contact a law firm. If your employment record shows raise increases, advancements and nothing negative you may indeed have a case. Like stated earlier you may not get much compensation from this but if you are struggling any compensation is worth banding together. The SMT members can personally be called into court (subpoena) that would require them to release any documents relevant to the case. Your HR rep can also be subpoena and would be required to appear in court. If you are serious you would have a better chance to start this now with all the political issues going on. You as a severed employee over 40 could argue that fact that this has caused you undue stress with loss of health insurance during a Pandemic. Sounds like you may have a case but it would take a lot of you to get organized and seek a law firm willing to take this on. GOOD LUCK and GOD BLESS.
Yeah take them to the cleaners hope you guys win multi million pounds for negligence
I agree with last post.
I also signed it with 15 years at 55.
The severance waiver language even states words to the affect that it does not release NOV from litigation due to age discrimination.
It’s hard to get evidence as an individual, but if a group were to get together, and share their experiences with an employment law attorney, I believe there’s a chance a case could be made.
The down side (there always is one) lawyer would get rich, we wouldn’t get what we deserved and then we would be blacklisted in the industry forever.
Unless you are eligible for Medicare and ready to retire, there could be downside, otherwise, especially in a pro bono case, you could come out ahead.
Best case (for an individual) NOV would settle, no court people get paid and the whole thing NOV does continues as always.
You can still file with EEOC if you feel you have been discriminated against due to age. Yes signing the severance letter does present some hurdles but if at the time of signing you did not feel you were targeted due to age and now due to new developments or evidence that the company is indeed targeting older workers simply due to age you can seek legal representation. If all of you feel that after the dust has settled you now believe you were discriminated against due to age. The severance letter does not allow a company to blatantly discriminate nor does it release said company to any liability. Yes this will be a hard road to travel but if there are enough of you and you stick together you may at least show the general public that this company feels it can operate above the law. This is what is wrong with most large companies as they know you need some kind of compensation when released from employment and feel they have you over a barrel. Signing a severance letter does not always release a company from liability due to wrongful termination or release of employment.
Well, at least you got your severance. Before they started in April, I saw couple of 20 years or even 30 years plus were fired with mopery. I don't know what title did you have before you were hit. As far as I know many seniors/experienced like you were targeted if they meet one of two circumstances.
- Without management titles.
- Pointed out current management's stupidity when they saw management careened the ship to iceberg.
Laying off seniors is a tactic they use as they know you care about your severance, so you will sign the paper definitely. I know some young ones who were one or two plus years with NOV got hit didn't sign the paper work and filed EEOC as one week or two weeks pay is nothing, comparing to 20 weeks pay plus unused vacations.
I worked for NOV in the UK and am over 50, signed the severance letter to say I would not go after then. Took the view that I could not be bothered with NOV any longer so took a nice payment. At the end of the day, they don’t care for experience and different view than their own, the company is well and truly screwed with these jokers in charge!
If you signed the severance letter and took the money, you released NOV from any lawsuit potential.
I too am over 50 but in the UK they do seem to keep experience
I too was released just short of 20 years of service and over 50 years old. I do believe that we were targeted by the upper management due to our salary, vacation and bonus program etc. I am sure that NOV has all of its legal team working on this just in case this was to go to a class action case. I would be interested in placing my name on this if it was to come to a lawsuit...