Thread regarding Gulfstream Aerospace layoffs

LT id–ts will leave, be let go or die. A union won’t. One is a temporary ailment the other is a death sentence.

If you are going to poke fun at someone’s intelligence, you should be more careful. He / she might have 3 but it makes it look like you have none.

“anazibg” “touting” “on horn” “ther”.

We get it. You have a job and he / she got laid off. You win this round.

How about we all just be nice to each other?

Did that poster say he has “3 degrees” wow that’s so impressive, I wonder why he’s not employed? It’s anazibg how some academics love touting their on horn and blowing smoke up ther backsides.

Get a grip baby!

That woman reminds me of the tales from the crypt guy.

Agreed. Former employee who escaped. JL and PH were the strongest leaders. JL knew the company’s most valued people were the people who worked on the aircraft. He did his best to embody servant leadership and manage GD to keep out of GAC’s “family” culture.

The real destruction came with the VP of HR and MB as President.

Everything you are seeing is a result of the VP of HR - she brought the most destructive and frowned upon HR practices to GAC. She is profit over people. She’s fine with being the bad guy. Likes it even.

It will not get better until she or MB are gone.

So pay attention, and know that it really is a toxic culture. Everyone deserves better.

I have seen previous replies promoting unions. I know it's distasteful, but name your poison. Put up with union bs or the new LT psychopaths.

@"The comment from the $.02 person"... excellent, well thought out reply. From my perspective, it is sad to see a well loved organization deteriorate. The man that promoted me into my position left, encouraged by the voluntary layoff. Walked off with 80k's worth of "encouragement". Wife layed off last Oct. Stellar reviews and top producer. She, at the very least, got WARN penalty. I left with 17 weeks pay and a condescending note from Global on how to reclaim my belongings. I hate to see what the next events will be. We loved Gulfstream.

The comment from the $.02 person is on point. Things were happening in the background but the biggest catalyst to ruining the company culture happened when they hired the current HR VP. I’ve worked at several large corporations but Gulfstream was much different because it was about doing a good job and having pride in what we were doing. As long as you were a good fit for that culture, you were rewarded as the company succeeded. When the HR VP showed up, she implemented every miserable and terrible HR policy used by all the other mediocre large corporation I had worked for. She implemented a lot of pointless restrictions on advancement that had nothing to do with ones ability to do the job or be a good leader. She then put in place the horrific management “training” which is nothing more than an HR power grab that breeds terrible leaders. I’m convinced MB was chosen because GD felt he would go along with their cookie cutter HR VP coup. Then they brought on other non aerospace stooges into senior leadership positions. One of the most egregious examples was the new CMO who tried to market the brand like its some cheap consumer product meant for the masses when it was already established as an elite brand well known to those who needed to know. Sadly the company is ruined and won’t get any better. Our only real option is to unionize and look out for ourselves. All that is going to happen from this point forward is worse policy and eroded benefits to cover the massive mistakes made by the cookie cutter management who will still be rewarded with higher salaries and bonuses on our backs.

They better get better at RIFing if they think they can RIF me before I start.

• sure if they don’t lay RIF you first

Go Eagles!!! Will I be able to get on at Gulfstream and get me one of them money checks now?

It’s a total old boys club. Dear leader MBurns is a perfect example. Who the f— thinks a Georgia southern bachelors degree qualifies you for anything? Savannah high schools don’t prepare well educated people and Georgia southern is no way no how an innovative tech power house in the aerospace industry. I have three degrees in aerospace from world class universitys and 20 years more relevant experience than this guy. My bosses were no better.

In other words: Get out now before round 12 comes and knocks you out; and literally it probably is round 12 at this point or might as well be.

I agree with the poster below me. Make your resumes shine, almost everyone that I know who was laid off has job interviews lined up. So much for the trolls that said the losers were let go. I think the losers might be the ones still stuck in that h e l l hole.

Lots of good people were let go the last 2 rounds and a lot of good folks remain. My experience was the overwhelming majority were good folks doing a good job. Unfortunately, it only takes a few at the high levels to ruin a good company.

My $.02. It started with the replacement of the CEO at GD. Then the CFO at GD. Both were significant downgrades from previous leadership. Then, you had the departure of JL and PH. Whether you liked them or not, I believe most would say they were strong leaders. The supporting cast of LT members have never been strong but were carried by the likes of JL and PH. Then, despite years of talking about GAC employees being the difference, the secret sauce if you will, it was decided to go out and bring in executives from mediocre companies who systematically started bringing in their cronies. Bringing in outside talent is fine, but for goodness sakes, this is Gulfstream freaking Aerospace. With that brand, it should have been possible to bring in proven rock star talent. However, proven talent would have overshadowed and intimidated the weak LT members that have been around for decades. So, bringing in lower level talent from mediocre companies provided security to the existing LT members. Now, mistake after mistake has been made and covered up with recurring layoffs. That won't solve the fundamental problems but it will buy the current LT time to get to their retirement.

So, I don't begrudge the many great folks that are still there. In fact, I feel bad for them. There was a time when if you did a good job you didn't have to worry about being laid off. Now, every time things get bad, everyone will be worried that it might be their time. You see, those that were let go weren't let go because they were good or bad and those that remain weren't kept because they were good or bad. There seems to be very little rhyme or reason beyond getting rid of older folks and throwing in enough other people to make it look less obvious. Best wishes to those that were let go and those that remain because everyone was affected in one way or another. It's difficult to do your best work when you are constantly looking over your shoulder.

To the troll below about leaving Savannah....if there was a job with need for a Master's prepared electromechanical engineer with 25 years' experience designing flight controls for military and business jets I'd stay in Savannah. I love it here. But alas...with GAC apparently in its death throes, no need for new ideas, just propping up existing problematic programs, no company here needs my kind of talent anymore. Buh bye! Not letting the door hit me.

It’s interesting to note that only the “good ones” were let go and no one remaining has a clue how to operate the business. It stinks, no doubt, but save the bs rehtoric for the daily soap opera.

The only good people still there are those who are so rooted to living in Savannah that theyll never leave for any reason. Anyone worth a damn has left or is planning to leave

More trolls

Yeah we delivered planes, but we know where all the problems are hidden. I got stuck in a box fixing issues with incompetent suppliers for 2 years. I was successful enough to work myself out of a job. But I still know where the unsolved problems are. Just wait for the next AOG when I’m not there to deal with it.

It always amazed me that we could deliver aircraft in spite of ourselves.

Gulfstream? Spirit? Heart? Have you been drinking? More like mean spirited and heartless. Oh and the impulsive part of your comment? That is what is so despicable. They pretend it was because of the pandemic and then slash and burn the experienced guys they think they are paying too much. They planned this all along.