Stopping all the rumors and badmouths that apparently want to leave. Go. Like just go. Our culture is weak, but I’d bet money you’re contributing to that. So leave. I’ve had 5 strong years with this place. I’m not going anywhere. Tired of the naysayers. Wanna help? Go to Tulsa and contribute. Wanna bash? Stop. Put some work in and make this company better than it has ever been. Work hard. You were kept for a reason, so justify your position. Be grateful.
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Where is the AAP bashing coming from?
Possibly the second best program I've ever worked on (and I'm that old guy in the office.)
The G600/G500 having evolved from G650, are superior to the G650 in all aspects except for size. Does anyone remember the metrics coming from Flight Test from the All Hands Meeting last Spring (or the one before that?)
Its a winner. The decision to get powerplants from P&W instead of Rolls for the AAP program, I don't know how that decision came from, but the Nordam nacelle/TR debacle is almost in the rear view...ask your colleagues in Tulsa how things are going. With regard to RIFs, it's my impression that Gulfstream rolled too many contractors over to direct as AAP was winding down, and have struggled to find places to put them as the program wound down even more. People have been shuffled around for at least 2 years. As a former contractor on AAP and the new program, I'm grateful for the experience. Contractors should not be surprised...this has been a long time coming. Contractors are paid to go away. It saddens me that the RIF's will go into the Direct workforce because the whole idea of contract labor is so that you don't have to let Directs go (the folks who are trying to put down roots...kids in school, mortgages, happy spouses, nuclear families, etc.) It seems that old tenant in aerospace is true: the difference between a contractor and a direct is two weeks.
I hope that GAC management reading this takes into consideration not just the bottom line...if it was just about money, what a sad world this would be. For every GAC employee, how many jobs are created in the community? And aerospace is one big huge public works program anyway.
If history is any indication, after management gets their year end bonuses and parent company GD is satisfied with their profits, a few months will go by and they'll be hiring again in March. If you want to try and make a living in this crazy industry, make hay when the sun shines, and save for a rainy day. Farewell for now, friends...we'll see you at the next sweet gig, wherever that may be.
It's a small pond, and we're all just swimming in circles...
Please stop quoting the ‘first five hours are free,’ all exempt salaried positions agreed to that the moment we took the job. Period.
45 hours.
We were given a free ride for years, and too many took advantage, hence, tow the line now.
This is cyclical, and happens after every new R&D, program, especially when the economy has dipped low.
Troll alert.
Oh it’s coming folks. It’s far from over. Contractors then a few VPs. Lists were submitted by management but HR makes the call if they need more heads. Directs are next...meaning non contract employees.
Yeah, your title...that's a bold faced lie. The layoff lists are quite long and only contractors (and a few VPs) have been walked out so far. If you're here after the layoff the work will be smothering and the company will be demand you work lots of overtime and don't forget your first five hours are free
Spoken like a true corporate robot.
Furlough is coming next in November after the dust settles from the RIF
GD requires year end profits to be at their expectations. Otherwise more RIF action will be required.
You're not in the clear. The contractor layoff happened out of the blue. Even our managers didn't know about the timeline when it happened. The real layoff happens this month, as it was always intended to. (many of us knew about it, and got caught out, because of the differing timeline - I started putting resumes out a week and a half before it happened) They cut us first, so that noting could be said, amongst the direct labor force. I'm not fear mongering - in fact, I actually applaud GS for cutting all of us contractors, first. I didn't want to invest in a life in Savannah/Pooler. It's not fair to those of you who did, if I get to stay, and you're sent packing. But don't think for a second that the cuts are done. Some of us who got the cut, have already been told that it's going to be a bit deeper. Even some of our managers were afraid for their jobs. Without the requisite number of subordinates, many of them don't have enough people in their organizations to justify their position. And these kinds of attrition cycles are always a prime time for companies to cut out what they consider to be "dead wood", but can't do during normal business, due to legal threat, and the expense of employee appeals.
Cheers to the AAP comment, but Dr Dan got the Nale auditorium named after hem. Let’s be straight, People are losing their jobs because of him, AAP was a disaster for Gulfstream
5 strong years of growth for the company but once again the private aviation landscape is evolving...for those that have been with this company through at least one of these cuts, the best and brightest aren't always kept and the company suffers... technically and financially. Those that are left will have to pick up the pieces and push harder to keep GAC the finest jet company in the world.
The people that have been here 20+ years understand. We are in a bad place, and most of it is because of AAP. If you can’t be honest and take the criticism, you are part of the problem too