Thread regarding State Farm Insurance layoffs

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Consumers beware. Automated systems and artificial intelligence are driven by integrated data. In a Illinois Premium
rating uses consumer reports/credit rating, MVR info, Claims and other profiling data and is ONLY as good as the data being integrated. It’s not all clean or real or up to date data or real time . Errors impact consumers and decisions.

Those automated letters and cancellations and huge premium increases don’t really help real folks or economy or society.

It does boost the vanilla and data driven like nature of insurance and banking decisions. I’ve seen older people and State Farm customers upset and very confused. Emotional distress even and very time consuming and expensive for customers. To figure out and weed through.

I’m sure the industry and State Farm considers these folks non educated but definitely penalizes consumers financially. Mandatory insurance laws work well for affluent customers. Not so much for lower class and demographically targeted customers or potential customers. Folks with lots of money or stability or clean records and a nice credit rating would not understand.

When half of a family or persons income goes to car, house and health insurance and taxes it’s a sad statement about society and our economy. State Farm plays along well with these practices.

The too bad so sad arrogance of insurance gets exhausting and unhealthy for anyone except execs pocketbooks.

If your family member or you or a customer gets a nice “surprise” increase or cancel know the data they use. Don’t trust or try to understand online quotes either. The reps on the phone don’t know it either. You get a script. It’s a continual dumbing down of the industry and workforce blaming automation.

Industry wide practices of using the same rules and data to make decisions stinks for real life folk and those with not so charmed lives or histories. Data driven Profiling stinks. We all understand risk and business and ratios but at whose expense. I get agents frustration.

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https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/7/18/20691757/car-insurance-pricing-factors-discrimination-redlining

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Post ID: @Mtpp+11FETLKH

So, a couple of salient points that speaks well of SF vs the industry at large. When you examine underserved markets SF is the ONLY company that will have agents actually located in those markets. It speaks to the principled integrity foremost by the agents that are committed to that market rather than pulling up stakes for higher income possibilities in the suburbs. And SF’s commitment to recruit and support those agents.

Second as you point out every insurance company today uses scoring models of some variety-they are all proprietary. However, SF has been lauded by ACORN, HUD and special interest groups for being the only major insurer that does not use education and profession as part of their underwriting and pricing model. GIECO, Progressive and Allstate have all been sued, but so far unsuccessfully for using those criteria.

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Post ID: @xpoa+11FETLKH

Wow. Maybe get real and quit trying to be like GEIKO who has similar integrity issues and come down to earth and learn what real consumers that barely get buy or have real life circumstances deal with in the industry. Not everyone filed claims or lawsuits. So shaming consumers quietly and not insuring them with few affordable places to actually get insured at is not “community friendly”.

The too bad so sad arrogance of insurance gets exhausting and unhealthy for anyone except execs and Managers image and pocketbooks.

Corporate philanthropy and She Shed commercials and marketing does not make up for the quiet decisions. In the name of competition.

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Post ID: @xagu+11FETLKH

Wow. Maybe get real and quit trying to be like GEIKO who has similar integrity issues and come down to earth and learn what real consumers that barely get buy or have real life circumstances deal with in the industry. Not everyone filed claims or lawsuits. So shaming consumers quietly and not insuring them with few affordable places to actually get insured at is not “community friendly”.

The too bad so sad arrogance of insurance gets exhausting and unhealthy for anyone except execs and Managers image and pocketbooks.

Corporate philanthropy and She Shed commercials and marketing does not make up for the quiet decisions. In the name of competition.

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Post ID: @xkpw+11FETLKH

Here’s the thing....one company cannot go it alone. Many of you weren’t here for “Big Dog”, but it happened when others (especially GEICO) really started relying on consumer report data. State Farm didn’t. There was a pretty public back and forth between Ed Rust Jr and Warren Buffet. Warren even said in his annual report that State Farm was going to regret it. He was right.
State Farm wrote far more policies than planned in a year. As I recall, they lost $25B doing it, and even had to close the doors to most new business while they figured it out. The bottom line was that consumer data was by far the most accurate predictor of claim losses. By failing to use it when competitors were, State Farm simply took on high risks at inadequate prices, while ceding lower risks to the competition.
As long as it’s out there, State Farm HAS to use the data. If using it gets outlawed, that’s workable since the playing field would be level again.

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Post ID: @tbvc+11FETLKH

So what is the advantage of redlining?

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Post ID: @togy+11FETLKH

Despite what they claim. It’s NOT about only having rich folks or a “profitable” set of customers. It’s red lining. And the whole industry manipulated the most vunerable and poor and uses laws and data to justify

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Post ID: @sktz+11FETLKH

When the affluent target those struggling already and have tight ins with government and lobbying and targeting those most vumrable then sticking it to em. To them everyone is a dead brat. Not so in real life. But in the glass bubble. Yes.

It’s a disgusting statement about the industry and ethics and greed using the least of those in society and the community already.....it’s a shame

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Post ID: @4gwq+11FETLKH

I don't understand why the state insurance commissioners allow blind rating like this. The components and weighting is not disclosed. It's not a credit score, it's red lining

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Post ID: @3tvz+11FETLKH

Yep. As you state this is prevalent across all insurance and banking. No compassion.
Folks worry about staying afloat and paying them bills.
The majority of folks rent. My rent is half my income. And has gone up 50 percent in 3 years.
Living the dream!

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