Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Partner CEO: 10 percent of the Oracle workforce in North America to lose jobs.

Oracle has revealed it is cutting hundreds of jobs across the U.S. as it looks to improve its financials in what appears to be part of a much larger workforce restructuring.

The software giant reported mass layoffs last week to the State of California in accordance with the WARN Act, which requires a 60-day notice before 50 or more employees are terminated in a 30-day period from a specific facility.

The Redwood City, Calif.-based company told the California Employment Development Department that on May 21, it will permanently layoff 255 workers in its Redwood City headquarters, and another 97 in the nearby Santa Clara offices.

Oracle, which has 140,000 employees worldwide, did not immediately reply to a request for comment on Tuesday. Last week, company spokesperson Deborah Hellinger shared a prepared statement: "As our cloud business grows, we will continually balance our resources and restructure our development group to help ensure we have the right people delivering the best cloud products to our customers around the world."

In both letters to California's employment regulator, Oracle wrote it is "reevaluating its product focus and skill set gaps, and for these reasons, has decided to lay off certain employees in the Product Development organization. It is anticipated that these layoffs will be permanent."

The vast majority of those losing their jobs in both facilities are listed as software developers, according to the letters.

Those reported layoffs, however, appear only a component of a much-larger international workforce reduction, with the website thelayoff.com abuzz in recent weeks with anonymous postings about changes at Oracle. Cuts have also reportedly taken place at the company’s Dyn unit in Manchester, N.H., at an office in Seattle affecting 40 cloud infrastructure team workers and outside the U.S.

"They've been laying off quite heavily," said one former Oracle employee who lost his job in September as part of a layoff round that fell under the WARN Act's reporting criteria.

Those cuts late last year were "a fairly substantial RIF [Reduction in Force]," he said, asking to remain anonymous, but were distributed enough to avoid a WARN notice.

In that former Oracle employee's group, responsible for an aspect of software development around the Fusion application suite, about 25 percent of more than 100 employees were let go, including many senior people. At the same time, sales groups were also seeing "a lot of turmoil," he said.

Around the same time, Oracle was hiring new people, many of them engineers coming from Microsoft's Azure division and Amazon Web Services who demanded hefty salaries, that former employee told CRN. Those hires were an attempt to turn around a struggling cloud infrastructure services division, he said.

Talking to his former colleagues last week, that employee told CRN those current Oracle employees anticipate thousands of more jobs will go.

The CEO of a large Oracle partner with close ties to the company's internal employees told CRN many of those well-informed contacts expect between 5 and 10 percent of the workforce in North America to lose jobs.

At the same time, Oracle is also hiring, including many new employees from Microsoft who specialize in customer experience and marketing solutions, the partner, who also asked to remain anonymous, told CRN.

https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/hundreds-of-oracle-layoffs-revealed-to-california-regulator

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Post ID: @OP+YgvTNcr

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I think this all speculation and rumors.

It's possible, but unlikely.

My opinion only.

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Post ID: @2gmd+YgvTNcr

Illegal? For a law firm to argue and the courts to decide.

Unethical? WARN is supposed to warn people, isn't it? Benefits for a couple of months isn't going to help the employee who just took out a home mortgage two weeks ago. That's like putting a sign that says, "WARNING cliff ahead" at the bottom of the cliff.

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Post ID: @1nou+YgvTNcr

"Employees let go with WARN were notified along with everyone else, their access revoked, etc. They are simply counted as employees for an additional 60 days with full benefits (health ins., 401k, etc.) but those 60 days are deducted from their severance package (assuming it was longer than 60 days). They're just getting 2 extra months of benefits."

If that's the case, then this is arguably an unethical (if not illegal) circumvention of the intent of the WARN act.

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Post ID: @1ybs+YgvTNcr

“They're just getting 2 extra months of benefits.“

That’s two months of not having to pay the COBRA premium, which is significant. Too bad the rest of the US employees don’t get that.

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Post ID: @1ljd+YgvTNcr

"Well, there are sure to be plenty more notifications in 2 months time..."

LoL. Please tell us what your crystal ball sayeth.

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Post ID: @1hcr+YgvTNcr

Well, there are sure to be plenty more notifications in 2 months time, just not the ones in this WARN notice.

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Post ID: @1aqw+YgvTNcr

"The fact you have to put that down to solicit some credibility is astounding."

Perhaps. I was just trying to assure folks that there isn't some specter of 250+ additional notifications due in 2 months.

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Post ID: @1rgx+YgvTNcr

"I was a notifying manager..."

The fact you have to put that down to solicit some credibility is astounding. Can't these dim wits just learn to read rather than listen to gossip and hearsay?

Falling due to your own ignorance is one thing; victimizing those around you with it is inexcusable.

The WARN act is law and freely available for reading and applies to said area/state.

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Post ID: @1aga+YgvTNcr

Aria has 137,550 today, minus the rif's from last week already gone

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Post ID: @1zcy+YgvTNcr

Employees let go with WARN were notified along with everyone else, their access revoked, etc. They are simply counted as employees for an additional 60 days with full benefits (health ins., 401k, etc.) but those 60 days are deducted from their severance package (assuming it was longer than 60 days). They're just getting 2 extra months of benefits.

I was a notifying manager in last week's RIF, went through training, so take it from me. The people notified under WARN were already notified and they know who they are. No surprises 2 months hence.

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Post ID: @1xii+YgvTNcr

I highly doubt oracle has 140K employees to begin with

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Post ID: @1wwn+YgvTNcr

People who are being laid off under WARN may already have been notified but get to stay on the payroll for 60 days - oracle has done it that way before, or it could be another group of people. No way of telling from the outside.

If anybody was laid off but is on then payroll for another 60 days let us know.

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Post ID: @1nzx+YgvTNcr

"Are you saying employees from California who will be laid off on May 21 2019 don't know yet about their own fate?"

That's exactly what he/she is saying. It is evident he/she doesn't understand what they are copying and pasting.

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Post ID: @1oif+YgvTNcr

https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/elg/layoffs.htm

Notices to employees or their representatives. WARN requires employers to notify either the individual employees affected by a plant closing or mass layoff or their representatives at least 60 calendar days prior to any planned plant closing or mass layoff. If employees are terminated on different dates, the date of the first individual termination within the statutory 30-day or 90-day period triggers the 60-day notice requirement.

Notices to representatives. These notices must contain the following:

The name and address of the employment site where the plant closing or mass layoff will occur, and the name and telephone number of a company official to contact for further information

A statement about whether the planned action is expected to be permanent or temporary and, if the entire plant is to be closed, a statement to that effect

The expected date of the first separation and the anticipated schedule for making separations

The job titles of positions to be affected and the names of the workers currently holding affected jobs

WARN requires employers to notify either the individual employees affected by a plant closing or mass layoff or their representatives...

You may need to contact the representative to find out.

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Post ID: @1wop+YgvTNcr

The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN) protects workers, their families, and communities by requiring employers with 100 or more employees to provide at least 60 calendar days advance written notice of a mass layoff affecting 50 or more employees at a single site of employment. WARN makes certain exceptions to the requirements when layoffs occur due to unforeseeable business circumstances, faltering companies, and natural disasters. Advance notice gives workers and their families some transition time to adjust to the prospective loss of employment, to seek and obtain other jobs, and if necessary, to enter skill training or retraining that will allow these workers to compete successfully in the job market. Regular federal, state, local, and federally-recognized Indian Tribal government entities that provide public services are not covered.

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Post ID: @1jzi+YgvTNcr

@1nwb : Are you saying employees from California who will be laid off on May 21 2019 don't know yet about their own fate?

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Post ID: @1qzx+YgvTNcr

"No, by law it cannot happen until 60 days from the notice given on 3/21/2019"

Sigh, at least take the time to learn about what you copy and paste. I'll let you discover how the WARN act is implemented. But here's a quote directly from the Business Insider:

"Oracle has so far only publicly disclosed that it cut 352 people at its Silicon Valley offices last week, according to forms filed with the state of California."

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/Yh7cg4A

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Post ID: @1fta+YgvTNcr

There is no new layoff on May 21st. It already happened. Do you understand this?

No, by law it cannot happen until 60 days from the notice given on 3/21/2019

They already paid out those people or they have agreed to depart May 21st. Do you get this?

They have not been notified, the state of California has. No we get to play the waiting game to find out who gets the package.

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Post ID: @1nwb+YgvTNcr

"Wow just... wow..."

Wow, can you not even read the article you posted and what I wrote. Read it again slowly -- it may help you.

There is no new layoff on May 21st. It already happened. Do you understand this?

They already paid out those people or they have agreed to depart May 21st. Do you get this?

I'm not disagreeing with the ~355 number. I'm saying aside from that, the rest is speculation. Do you get this?

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Post ID: @1lqc+YgvTNcr

"No, not nonsense but the truth. Oracle shares this info with Accenture b/c they want Accenture to pick up the slack and do the things oracle can no longer do. "

Pray tell, just what might these things be? Tech support? Add features to the database? Release patches for Solaris?

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Post ID: @1eza+YgvTNcr

So Silicon Valley was already hit with ~355 layoffs.

The rest is speculation. And your title is misleading. It is expected to be between 5-10% from an unknown source.

255 Redwood shores on May 21 2019.

97 Santa Clara on May 21 2019.

Not speculation, hard notice. You have been warned.

https://www.edd.ca.gov/jobs_and_training/warn/WARN_Report_for_7-1-2018_to_03-25-2019.pdf

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Post ID: @1iel+YgvTNcr

"Keep that head buried deep in the sand. No worries, everything is fine."

Buried in the sand? So the article says ~355 in Silicon Valley. The rest is speculation. What don't you agree with, mooronitron?

Are you disappointed it wasn't the 'bloody carnage' some folks in this forum made it out to be? End of the world drawing nigh?

Wow just... wow. Do you work in California? Oracle has triggered a warn notification for May 21 2019 read the link below. I know you won't so I'll paste the numbers for you. Please read this before you show your ignorance, again. Its not speculation it is in writing, the WARN notice is real.

https://www.edd.ca.gov/jobs_and_training/warn/WARN_Report_for_7-1-2018_to_03-25-2019.pdf

The layoff date is 05/21/2019 Oracle America, Inc. Santa Clara Santa Clara 97 employees permanent layoff. Notice was given on 03/22/2019. This may 255 employees will be walked in Santa Clara.

Now in Redwood shores on May 21st 2019, 255 Employees will be walked. Nearly 400 will be let go on May 21st.

That is just California. These are facts. This is required by law when its above 100 in California. Do you believe no one else will be affected? Do you believe no one else was affected on 3/21/2019 or 3/22/2019?

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Post ID: @1vgk+YgvTNcr

"Keep that head buried deep in the sand. No worries, everything is fine."

Buried in the sand? So the article says ~355 in Silicon Valley. The rest is speculation. What don't you agree with, mooronitron?

Are you disappointed it wasn't the 'bloody carnage' some folks in this forum made it out to be? End of the world drawing nigh?

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Post ID: @1fhb+YgvTNcr

No, not nonsense but the truth. Oracle shares this info with Accenture b/c they want Accenture to pick up the slack and do the things oracle can no longer do. When you don’t know that you’re talking about @1hhb shut your f---ing trap you ignorant piece of S:t

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Post ID: @1upa+YgvTNcr

"Accenture is oracle’s largest partner and so oracle extends to them the courtesy - which it refuses to extent to oracle employees - of letting Accenture know of forthcoming oracle layoffs."

Why would they tell them, and why would Accenture even care? Does Accenture return the favor? What nonsense.

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Post ID: @1hhb+YgvTNcr

Accenture is oracle’s largest partner and so oracle extends to them the courtesy - which it refuses to extent to oracle employees - of letting Accenture know of forthcoming oracle layoffs. To know what’s going on at oracle, stay close to your Accenture friends. Yeah, this is a deranged and perverse way of operating but that’s how the 3 stooges do it.

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Post ID: @hkj+YgvTNcr

So Silicon Valley was already hit with ~355 layoffs.

The rest is speculation. And your title is misleading. It is expected to be between 5-10% from an unknown source.

Keep that head buried deep in the sand. No worries, everything is fine. This article is just cut and paste.

If you want to know. Contact CRN for their source:

https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/hundreds-of-oracle-layoffs-revealed-to-california-regulator

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Post ID: @cui+YgvTNcr

https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/hundreds-of-oracle-layoffs-revealed-to-california-regulator

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Post ID: @tqb+YgvTNcr

So Silicon Valley was already hit with ~355 layoffs.

The rest is speculation. And your title is misleading. It is expected to be between 5-10% from an unknown source.

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